LOL! :laughing: you gave me a scare when you quoted my review saying somehow my review make you draw a conclusion of the "charger has a late termination and slightly overcharges cells". I had to re-read my review and the updates to make sure I didn't intentionally do that. The MCC does not have late termination and do not overcharges cell. The 4.22V reading is acceptable and is well within the tolerance of different measuring equipment. I may get that 4.22V with my meter, while others may get 4.18V with their meter measured upon termination (and Olight's Engineer is getting that perfect 4.20V). It's all in the calibrations... well, I do wish I have the sophisticated test equipment setup like HKJ tho... haha...I would go with the neutral white H1 personally.
The H1R only charges with Olight's proprietary battery and charging cord and the built in charger charges at 750mA which is an extremely high charge rate for 16340/RCR123's imo. Charging at such a high rate will likely impact the capacity over time and service life of the battery. It also appears that the built in charger has a late termination and slightly overcharges cells(judging by rookiedaddy's review)which will also affect their life/performance.
If you go with the H1 you can pick your own cells(Olight's RCR123's are not know to be the greatest performers) and charge them at a reasonable rate(250-350mA or whatever the cell manufacturer recommends) in a quality charger. You also get a much nicer carry case with the H1 and it is likely slightly lighter and smaller due to the lack of built in charging and different tailcap. And, it is $12 cheaper which is a bonus if you already have a charger.
LOL! :laughing: you gave me a scare when you quoted my review saying somehow my review make you draw a conclusion of the "charger has a late termination and slightly overcharges cells". I had to re-read my review and the updates to make sure I didn't intentionally do that. The MCC does not have late termination and do not overcharges cell. The 4.22V reading is acceptable and is well within the tolerance of different measuring equipment. I may get that 4.22V with my meter, while others may get 4.18V with their meter measured upon termination (and Olight's Engineer is getting that perfect 4.20V). It's all in the calibrations... well, I do wish I have the sophisticated test equipment setup like HKJ tho... haha...
the important part is it terminates correctly (which I can't say the same for the Olight R50 Pro LE Kit, and which I'm still pestering Olight for an answer ).
to @Mchipman, I still think Olight H1R Neutral White FTW. the MCC charging system has been in used in most of Olight rechargeable system of late, although some may concern about the 750mA charge rate, with the 30+ cycles that I've already put into the cell, it still performs without issue :thumbsup:. just for your information in case you are interested, it doesn't charge the cell at 750mA all the way, in fact, it doesn't even charges at 750mA if your cell is half full. If your cell is fully drained, it spend 1/3 of the charging time at 750mA to bring the Voltage up and gradually lower the current, that's standard CC/CV charging.
for full disclosure, the only Olight cell that I'm having problem now is the ORB-163C05 IMR cell where I did a few cycle (err... more like 10+) of deep discharge testing (overdischarge) in S1R where I tricked the S1R into thinking the IMR 3.7V cell is actually a fresh 3.2V primary CR123A cell.
and I do agreed with Tachead if you decided to go with H1, the Neutral White H1 is the one to go.
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Oh, just to be clear and not cause any confusion, H1R can also use primary CR123A and other rechargeable RCR123 cells, but you can't charge those cells in H1R. The included 650mAh ORB-163P06 cell can also be charge in your normal cradle-charger if you choose to do so.
but... come to think of it... with our CPF flashaholic spirit, you could actually get both... :devil:
I would go with the neutral white H1 personally.
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+1. Just in my opinion, I would have to agree with Tachead on this one, IMO, go for the H1.
(a 16340 battery is small and lightweight, one could anytime pocket some spares when using it on trails, for example)..
I have the H1 and H1R both in NW tints. Practically from my layman's perspective, I could neither feel nor see the 100 additional lumens projected by the H1R.
Just last weekend (January 30th, 2017) I went caving with the H1 using the H1R's/S10RIII's batteries .. I double pressed for Turbo but the Turbo couldn't be activated any longer than a split second.
This happened after I have turned On my H1 constantly on the brightness setting one below the Highest brightness level (i believe 180 lumens) for about approximately 30 - 40 mins.
I would like to believe the reason for the inability to turbo was due primarily to the battery being half done.
Well, for a "180-constant-lumens" 16340 light, I got what I paid for. It is bright, small, light and very useable.
I could have been a more pleased Olight Headlamp user had Olight made a H2 version (an 18650 version) of the H1.
Just my 2 cents worth & Cheers
I recommend you try one of the Zebralight H600 series 18650 headlamps. I think you will be very happy with not only the added runtime and output but, all the extra features, increased CRI, better tint(especially on the c&d versions), and even better fit and finish. I am super happy with my H600Fd & c MKIII's.
... geez... I'm starting to sound like trying to hard-sell this Olight H1R...
Well, whichever route you go, Neutral White option is what Tachead and myself agreed on. :naughty:
ah yes, my bad, my typos, the included cell is ORB-163C06. it's basically the same cell as the ORB-163P06 with Olight customizing it to be able to recharge in the H1R/S10RIII. thanks for correcting that.
we are not "being bound to only one cell" tho to using the included ORB-163C06 non-IMR cell, the 550mAh ORB-163C05 IMR can be purchase and use in place, which I wish they'd included that instead of the ORB-163C06. also 0.02V is "very inaccurate"? :thinking: hmmm... nah...
haha, I guess I'm not most people then, I don't think I've ever charge any of my RCR123 below 500mA. in my experience, my biggest disappointment with these smaller cell is the inability to deliver high discharge current as the cell aged instead of capacity loss.
to @Mchipman, imo, the biggest advantage of going with H1R or any of Olight recharging system flashlight (with the exception of R50 Pro) is the convenient of recharging in light via the MCC or Micro-Dok III without removing the battery. Even if we don't need that extra 100 lumens, the recharging system is there when we need it and the options of using other manufacturer's RCR123 cell (including primary CR123A) is still available...
geez... I'm starting to sound like trying to hard-sell this Olight H1R...
Well, whichever route you go, Neutral White option is what Tachead and myself agreed on. :naughty: