Coronavirus

bykfixer said:

I just don't understand complete lockdowns in Alaska, or North Dakota.

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North Dakota is not currently under lockdown. But it's almost as if the lockdown states are trying to proactively prevent something..

archimedes said:

Well, apart from the utter destruction of the global economy.

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Distancing:
equals keeping a little extra space between you and the person next to you
does not equal shutting down the economy

turbodog said:

Distancing:
equals keeping a little extra space between you and the person next to you
does not equal shutting down the economy

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Well they certainly have shut down the economy. If were not fully open July 1, my words are marked here forever. The second great depression.

turbodog said:

Distancing:
equals keeping a little extra space between you and the person next to you
does not equal shutting down the economy

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I think we may be talking about different definitions.

Per CDC ...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html

This has included ...

• Stay 6 feet apart from others while shopping

• Wear a face mask while outside one's home

• Avoid large and small gatherings in private places and public spaces

• Work from home

• Avoid public transport

• Remote learning for school and education

• Limiting or prohibiting so-called "non-essential" business

Effects and costs of these directives have been absolutely massive on the restaurant, travel, sports, and many other industries.

Keeping a little extra space apart is fine, I agree. Some of the other advice may be necessary or prudent in certain situations, but I believe that it should be carefully circumscribed as to location and duration, to minimize its burden.

The face mask thing is complete BS, unless it's a n95. The covid virus is .025 micron while the mask only protects to .125 micron. Social distancing does nothing considering a cough, or sneeze can travel 8 feet. And the Corona will live in the air for several minutes. All these guidelines that they are telling us to do are debunk by medical science. If they want to stop this so called"virus" they need to shut the country completely down.

I dont think its bs. Anything in front of your airways and the virus is better than nothing. I'd rather have the chance of virus particles landing on a mask than directly into my airway. Additionally m, I'd want to lessen the spread of my disease to others if I was a carrier.

US will likely mandate the requirement for face masks once they realize opening usa for business created another infection. No way around it but to wear masks.

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trailhunter said:

I dont think its bs. Anything in front of your airways and the virus is better than nothing. I'd rather have the chance of virus particles landing on a mask than directly into my airway. Additionally m, I'd want to lessen the spread of my disease to others if I was a carrier.

US will likely mandate the requirement for face masks once they realize opening usa for business created another infection. No way around it but to wear masks.

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I get what your saying, but unless it's a N95 mask that filters particles down to .010 micron all other masks don't do anything to prevent germs coming in your airway, or out of you airway. It's documented medical research that goes back 30 years.

Do the research and you'll see the facts.

Fish 14 said:

I get what your saying, but unless it's a N95 mask that filters particles down to .010 micron all other masks don't do anything to prevent germs coming in your airway, or out of you airway. It's documented medical research that goes back 30 years.

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Agreed.

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The virus doesn't come out of you singularly, it comes out in moisture droplets that are much larger in comparison; you need only capture these droplets and that almost completely removes the risk of transmission, at least from your nose and mouth. The purpose of a basic mask is to prevent infecting others, not prevent you from infection, so it's not going to seal/filter completely from outside - you would only need a high-spec fully-sealing mask in a situation where you're specifically interacting with the infected, such as an ER or police work.

Fish 14 said:

Do the research and you'll see the facts.

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Also they can give a false sense of security, some "might" take more risks than normal. Not only that, people will move, adjust, fidget with masks. They are not comfy to wear and usually require being touched several times an hour. If there is any contamination on the mask,. it has now potentially moved to hand, then what ever you touch next(car keys, phone.......etc)

Latex gloves are a pita to, we have them in work and within 20 mins, hands sweating. Horrible to work with. But imho every little helps, even if its a little.

In the UK the idea of masks is more to keep the virus in(contained) with a possible infected person. Even if it only works a little bit, it still helps towards containing. Distancing and washing hands frequent

Stay safe fish, happy easter and to all here on CPF. Chocolate can work wonders on a fed up with everything brain!!!

A face shield would compliment the mask out and about, its a shame they are not more easily available. Also no need to change every hour or so. Clean/disinfect and good to go again.

I went out yesterday to get Easter Bread. They allowed only 5 people in the Bakery at a time. But the staff worked slower than molasses and I was in the store much longer than I wanted to be.
At any rate, I wore my mask, and a hooded rain coat. Ofcourse... as soon as I put on the mask, my nose got itchy!

Made me think of that little clip of Robin Williams portraying Teddy Roosevelt's bust in Night at the Museum, with an itchy nose.

Why a raincoat?

Just out of curiosity, of all the folks participating in this thread how many have gotten this thing or knows somebody who did. Not knows somebody who knows somebody.

Example, my boss who runs a car club knows a guy who's brother in laws cousins uncle died from it. I know of folks being quarentined or were a few weeks back. But do not actually know them personally.

Just curious.

Wacbzzz I'm glad to see stuff like the link you posted in ##1172 be out there since it gives information that lets each of us decide for ourselves. Appreciate that.
There are studies galore on this thing, but finding them isn't always easy. Especially when your favorite search engine is trying to think for you.
At first finding information was easy but once WHO declared it a pandemic my searches have hits tailored more to hype than facts so a lot of time is wasted trying to sift through the choas. Type in corona and "blam" 300 news stories about a fire at the beer factory or worse, opinion pieces on how the American president has botched things. If you are a tin hat type it's easy to be led to believe this thing is a giant conspiracy to establish dominance by the one world government because 5G is going to wipe out 1/3 of the planet soon.

I believe it's real, but I also believe it is way over blown. We should take it serious, but not panic. If it were as lethal as buebonic or ebola? Aaaauuugggh!! I'd be wearing one of those dog face rings so my hands could not touch my face, you betcha.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html
Some basic information by the cdc

N95, surgical, or bandana, I think the biggest benefits of a mask are to remind you not to touch your face, and to make others think before getting too close. If someone coughs or sneezes and it's in the air, it can get in through your mucus membranes in your eyes just as easily. I'm not sucking in multiple cubic feet of air like an olympic runner while going through the store, I think it landing on your face is just as big a risk.

Byk- I belong to the GWRRA, Goldwing road riders association. Honda Goldwing social organization. We have I believe 17 chapters in Pa, more in other states. Our sister chapter in NY lost a member who was a nurse in NYC I believe. I'll find his memorial page and send you a link.

Edit- He worked for the USPS. In the photo that was being sent around tonthe group, he was wearing a shirt with a hospital name on it. I stand corrected.

Thanks Scout. Exactly correct about the masks. At first they were being used by sick folks to thwart their coughs and sneezes from spewing droplets in the air. Now they are reccomended to thwart those in public from touching their face. I wear a bandana around my neck. In cases where life requires someone be allowed in my 3 foot circle it's easy to deploy.

I hope that time does not show that right now nobody knows anybody but say two weeks or two months from now that changes.

CDC says ticks and mosquitoes don't spread it.

I know of 3 people mr fixer, a work mates mum who has tested positive, so he is off work for 2nd time and 2 weeks again. An older guy Bob who has been poorly for over a month back, bad cough and tested positive and then his wife tested. The former is just up the road in Swinton, the latter Bury. Thats roughly a 10 mile radius.

Great pic poppy, i have a mask similar in work for the dust. Will have to dig it out and take a pic! No one will come near you with that on haha........perfect!

bykfixer said:

Why a raincoat?

Just out of curiosity, of all the folks participating in this thread how many have gotten this thing or knows somebody who did. Not knows somebody who knows somebody.

Example, my boss who runs a car club knows a guy who's brother in laws cousins uncle died from it. I know of folks being quarentined or were a few weeks back. But do not actually know them personally.

Just curious.

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Here's an article about my Doctor saving one of his patient's life.

My daughter has not been well for the past 3-5 weeks, often running a low grade fever. She has been in contact with both my doctor and her own, and each has a spreadsheet of patients they have seen and treated for corona 19.

This poop is real. I really only stay in contact with a small group of people. At this time there are 507 people confirmed in my community with it, and 15 deaths and due to HIPPA, the names of who they are is not released. So I don't know if I know anyone with it. Considering that there are 59,000 confirmed in my state, there is an excellent possibility that I know someone with it. Perhaps a relative.

Why a raincoat?
Virus doesn't get through plastic. It is like wearing a whole body face shield. I took it off, outside and hung it over a patio chair in the sun. I took my shoes off and left them outside too. I left my respirator face mask in the car. I don't want to bring any of those virus into the house.

I then washed my hands and face. Threw the outside wrappers in the trash, and washed my hands again.

Am I a germophobe? Absolutely not! I also am not foolish enough, to not give this bug the respect, that it deserves.

Privacy laws are a good thing right now, though far from perfect. At times they can hinder care of a loved one. But right now it keeps communities from witch hunting neighbors. Now my small town has a big mouth so we know where all 6 cases are. One turned to six in 3 days. There'll likely be more as time marches on since we have a ton of nurses living here.

Mrs Fixer is making washable cloth masks to donate to cops and coworkers. I gave away all of my masks and gloves. I have a face shield from working with wood and some goggles but since my son works at a pharmacy I gave them to him if he chooses to wear either.

We go out early for errands and avoid crowded places. When I go to pump gas I pick a pump where the handle is baking in the sun. But we've been doing that for years now to avoid the flu. I'm fully aware of the spread rate and all that but if you treat life like you are trying to avoid the annual flu, not that many changes are required. When my pop was still around we wore masks if we had a cold or flu, washed things with warm water often, avoided touching our faces as much as practical and all those cdc reccomendations being tossed around.

This weeks grocery store jaunt was pretty casual. There might have been 50 people including the workers. About 10% were wearing masks. 100% kept their distance. The one lady power walking through the store with an over flowing cart was a novelty. Still no toilet paper, but lots of distilled water and facial tissues were available. My brother who dresses like he is expecting a chemical weapon attack will probably go out later. But he had a heart attack in February so I understand. We ask shut-in neighbors before going out "need anything" and hear "nawp I'm good here". If you want spagetti for dinner, forget it. Same with canned soup, sliced cheese and yogurt. Want bird, cow or pig, there was plenty to choose from. No selection of decaf coffee for the third week in a row. I find that strange because that's usually readily available even during sales. Same with dish powder. The cookie aisle was strangley barren this week. Perhaps the Keebler elves had an outbreak? Or perhaps depressed folks have given up on fresh veggies and turned to comfort food. Screw it, CNN says I'll be dead in a few days so why bother.

We could go to Sams Club or Costco for a laugh but panic buying at those places makes crowds larger than I want to be in right now. Same with Wal Mart and Target. Meanwhile the crazy lady who wears goloshes year round is still walking around the neighborhood with a leaf blower cleaning neighbors street gutters as about 10 cats follow her aroound. And the fat guy trying to lose weight by cutting neighbors lawns is now cutting ever yard on my street but mine at no charge. He offered to do mine while I worked out of town. "no thanks" I said because I love doing yard work.

Life in Mayberry is adjusting. We all know most of us will be ok. It's reminiscent of the Vietnam era where most are unaffected but a certain age group is a bit nervous right now. Instead of it being 18-24 year olds this time it's 60-90 year olds. About half of my neighbors are original owners of houses built in the 1960's so the other half has been looking out for them long before this covid-19 started. We just stay 6 feet away from the fence when chatting right now.