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Skylumen

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I think part of the problem with posting current is 'what' current to post. Current draw at the LED is not always the same as current at the battery level. If a light has multiple batteries (in series and/or parallel) and/or multiple LEDs (in series and/or parallel) or a combination of multiple batteries and LEDs, which current is he supposed to post that would benefit the majority of his customers? Add the fact that all his non-driverVN(X) offerings may or may not be boost or buck drivers and this complicates things even more.

I suppose we can bypass all this by asking for wattage figures instead but seriously, Vinh is a busy man and I get the feeling that measuring lumen and lux for each individual light per request is already taking time away from his work. Measuring amps is easy enough for most of us but it's precious seconds for Vinh.

At some level, I wanna propose we all help out and post our own measurements, be it lux, lumen, amps, runtimes, temperatures, sexiness, popularity, etc, etc. (yes, this is absolutely not my original idea. some of you have been posting this info already).



Or is that a dangerous suggestion as there's a real chance we can end up frying our lights?

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Skylumen

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I recently switch an American shop from an Australian shop for my P60vn copper shell. The finishes with this new shop is just amazing! ToolVN and Acebeams CuHS are also now made by this shop. Check out the machining and nickel plating! Feels extremely high quality and smooth to the touch! It was almost like they polished the copper before the nickel plating.
 

LarryB

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This may be sacrilegious, but it seems to me that the only time any of this battery/current question makes any difference is on turbo, or possibly with some very cheap batteries on high. When you are on any setting other than maximum, the driver is limiting the current flow to what that particular level wants. If the battery is good enough that you can tell the difference in light level between the highest and next highest level, then the battery can supply more than enough current for anything except the maximum level (BUT NOT NECESSARILY SAFELY). With most drivers the maximum level is defined by the driver placing the battery directly across the led(s). In this case the light level/current will be defined by the internal resistance of the battery, and Vinh has determined that the VTC5A is the battery that can deliver the lowest internal resistance. If the battery is poor enough, the next level down may indeed be limited by its internal resistance, but I've found this to happen very rarely--I haven't even THOUGHT of trying it in any of Vinh's monster lights. For normal lights in typical use I have no qualms using cheap high capacity but poor internal resistance batteries, as I don't intend to use the light at levels that would make any difference. If I do, it will be for a very short time, and the light level won't be what it could be, but I don't really care. I do that infrequently, because a cheap battery can overheat very quickly if asked for enough more than it can deliver.

Before you tell me that that's a dangerous thing to do--yes, it could be, and certainly if you were to literally short the battery it would react more quickly than you would know, as it would happen before the body of the light indicated a problem, but if you know this in advance, the led resistance is certainly more than a short, and you will not be in danger for a few seconds of high level light. I recognize that this would be a very bad statement to make to the general public, and Vinh certainly tries to protect himself as best he can by sending a serious disclaimer with every light, but I feel that this particular audience is more than aware of all this and that I'm therefore not doing any damage. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating running powerful lights on high with cheap batteries, I'm just pointing out that you can use those batteries for normal lighting if you're VERY careful about high levels, remembering that a battery can explode before the light body gets warm if it's put under a large enough load.
 

Newlumen

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Well don't be cheap on the battery when you use v54 lights. Always buy battery from reputable dealer... I do and I use lg mj1, 30q, vtc 5 and vtc 6..
 

eekazum

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illumn has the vtc5a for $5.49 but they are currently backordered. too bad I'm stocked up on vtc5 and vtc6 already :)
 

MAD777

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I'm constantly learning about batteries. When I first got into CPF & lithum-ion, I fortunately found HKJ's website. But, I looked at only the top curve (0.2 amps) on the "aH vs voltage" chart. I bought the battery that had the longest curve.

Then I found Vinh and quickly realized that I should be looking toward the bottom of the chart, like the 10 amps curve. This greatly improved my battery buying!

Only recently, as Vinh's lights are literally reaching the stratosphere, have I paid attention to the temperature charts buried deeper on HKJ's page. Some of the batteries I've bought in the past (30Q, VTC6), reach or exceed their heat limit at the amps these latest V54 lights must be hitting. Hence my change to Sony VTC5A.
 
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eekazum

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the "a" duh! j/k!


vtc5 are rated at 20A whereas vtc5a are rated at 25~30A (and they are a little more expensive)
 

noboneshotdog

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illumn has the vtc5a for $5.49 but they are currently backordered. too bad I'm stocked up on vtc5 and vtc6 already :)

Of course they are back ordered. Vinh told everyone it was the go to battery and we all went crazy buying them up! :shrug:
 

MAD777

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What's the difference between vtc5 and vtc5a?


VTC5A in red is better than VTC5 in blue.
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http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650comparator.php
 
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MAD777

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Newlumen makes a good point that VTC5A batteries are for extreme demands like vaping, and now maybe Vinh's super mega-lights.

Batteries like Sony VTC5, VTC6 and Samsung 30Q are great batteries and I won't hesitate to continue to use them in my V54 lights.

It's only lights like the X45vn, the TK75vn & TK61vn Ideals, RC40vn40 and who knows what's next, that I'm getting even more picky about my batteries for that class of lights.
 

MAD777

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And while we are on the subject of batteries, let me give a shout-out to @HKJ.
I faint just thinking about the massive database of information that he's worked so hard to provide the community.
Without him, I would be like a blind man, feeling my way around a power substation, with a metal cane!
 

Capolini

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There is a group buy on BLF where my Hometown dealer Jon from Liionwholesale will be selling 30Q BT for $5.09. The OP only needs 500 batteries to get that price. The thread just started yesterday and they are up to 456 already!

I was suppose to be #52 on the list and a mix up put me to #69!! lol!

I am fortunate because Jon is a neighbor and friend that I just take the 1.5 mile trek and get batteries whenever I want w/ no shipping!........expediency and convenience are the priority w/ a few dollars saved as a perk!

My guess is that Jon will get more than enough and then sell the extras around his $6 price that FT'S are sold for.
 

Newlumen

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Newlumen makes a good point that VTC5A batteries are for extreme demands like vaping, and now maybe Vinh's super mega-lights.

Batteries like Sony VTC5, VTC6 and Samsung 30Q are great batteries and I won't hesitate to continue to use them in my V54 lights.

It's only lights like the X45vn, the TK75vn & TK61vn Ideals, RC40vn40 and who knows what's next, that I'm getting even more picky about my batteries for that class of lights.


Same here.. i have like 3 different battery brand,.. i dont know which to use.. lol. Some of my lights get special treatment.. acebeam t21vn get sony vtc 6..
 
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