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    Good Morning Everyone [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink2.gif[/img],

    We have had many questions in regards to additional information on each of the LED Flashlights. As previously mentioned we have been working on a simple chart for this information.

    Peak LED Solutions Chart Information

    This chart will provide most information and will be modified and updated as information is need to be added. If you have any suggestions please let us know.



    Updates:

    N mini series ( Shasta Collection ): These items are starting to be released at this time and has been added to our site. Some basic information; 1.5v N cell comes in both mini pocket version ( no key ring / flat back end ) and mini keychain version.

    Custom Design Center request on AAA Bodies: These items at this time can be purchased from our Custom Design Center; we will be adding these items as standard stock at a later date.

    Questions on the additional accessories that will be released: At this time we are in the process of adding more. Thank you, for all the suggestions on different items to add [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img].

    Questions in relation to the Alpine Collection: This unit comes with 2 x 1.5v N cell batteries creating a 3v system. Note:*** A 3v N cell Head will operate differently on a 1.5v N cell body*** This information will also be updated on the site to reflect the difference.

    This post has been restarted to help answer question, we will post her any additional information and answers. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img]



    Thank you,

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    You may haved meant this [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
    peak chart

    edit: nevermind the original link works now [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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    Questions in relation to the Pikes Peak Double Headed N Cell:

    The Pikes Peak is designed double ended. This means on one end you have one head and on the other there is another.

    Let me use one for example in this. Pikes Peak 1.5v N cell 1 LED Double Head White.

    This unit has 1 White LED on both end and can be run at the same time, or one at a time. You can also have it with a UV on one end and White on the other end.

    You can mix and match the colors as shown, as an option. Later if you choose to you can switch one of the heads to run as 3 LED ( any color ). You can also use one of the end to carry an extra battery.

    Question in relation to attaching any two units together: This accessory is going to be added to the list soon. At this time the attachment can be purchased through the Custom Design Center.


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    Odd, sometimes Dallas's link doesn't work (pops you
    to Yahoo Domains). But it did work for me on Thursday
    or Friday. The .net address works.

    Greg

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    In regards to a multiple LED light, I used to hear about a "principle" whereby each LED's output could not simply be added to give the total output figure. For example, if each LED alone put out 10cd, a 3 LED light would actually put out less than 30, maybe more like 18 or so. Did your tests show this to be true?

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    Carl, no , that is not true. If 3 LEDs have the same direction you just may add the candela.
    The perceived brightness may be different. That means twice the candela may not look twice as bright to your eye.

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    Any news? .. Noticed your release dates have been upgraded to June 25 ...

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    Any news? .. Noticed your release dates have been upgraded to June 25 ...

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Hi Al

    I am working on putting everything up at this time. I am also reworking the website as I go as well.

    Some news I was not planning on letting out until I was done, but I will go a head and release it now. We are adding Hi-Power [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]( Increased ) Output to the standard items. We have been waiting to make sure we have enough stock on hand before we release these. This will include “ all items “ we currently offer.

    As soon as I am finished all items will be released and fully available. My estimate at this time is about 14hrs more worth of work [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/poke2.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img].

    I will make a post as soon as this is done. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    Thank you,

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    MJ,
    Are you saying that the output of all the standard items is being increased, or that it will be an option to get the brighter output? Where does that leave those of us that have already purchased a light but want higher output? Also, any news on the foam washers for solving the battery rattle problem?

    Thanks!

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    MJ,
    Are you saying that the output of all the standard items is being increased, or that it will be an option to get the brighter output? Where does that leave those of us that have already purchased a light but want higher output? Also, any news on the foam washers for solving the battery rattle problem?

    Thanks!

    [/ QUOTE ]

    It will be an option.

    Example:

    Standard version: AAA 3 LED White 28 to 39cp
    New Version being added to the list: AAA 3 LED White Hi-Power 42 to 54cp


    These lights have been in high demand through the Custom Design Center. We have decided to make these standard increases available as a standard item and add all of them to the list of products. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

    The K2 and Everest will be added with these as well.

    The price difference that we have been offering on the “standard increase” is an additional $5.00us

    The price will remain the same. For the customers prior to us posting this to the site, that have purchased the standard units can have the option of going to the increased brightness for the price difference between the units.

    If any one “prior to the posting of these units on the website” would like to upgrade their units please contact us and we will be more then happy to help you. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    If there becomes a high demand for a particular product though our Custom Design Center then there is a good chance you might see it become a standard item [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]. Our standard items that you see listed on our website are just a few things that we can do [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. A good friend once told me when in doubt just ask, you might be pleasantly surprised.

    The solution to the battery rattle is almost complete. We will be mailing them to all pervious purchases as soon as they are available. I will post an up-date on this on Tuesday.

    MJ
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    Have read your Q&A's at your web-site and understand your mfg. protocalls as described under:

    "WHAT DETERMINES THE CHOICE OF LED BRAND?"
    "WHAT ARE OVERDRIVEN LEDs?"

    However, you probably realize the peculiarities of flashaholics in wanting the BRIGHTEST-WHITEST LEDs available even at the sacrifice of SOME runtime & emitter longevity. I have a brass 1AAA 3LED + 1LED head and a brass 1AA 5LED and consider them both to be of "showpiece" quality. My only disappointments are with color temperature (too blue), not enough sidespill (compare with ARC or ULTRA -G), and brightness. I consider these to be "walkaround" lights and would like to see a wider, whiter beam projection.

    Seems to me that producing lights such as these has become as much as an art-form as an endeavor to produce a practical item for consumer use.

    Please accept the above as suggestion based on personal preference and not as criticism. Look forward to doing more purchasing soon.

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    Thank you Al I will pass it along.

    Hello Everyone

    Quick update most of the pages are up at this time. I will be adding more as I go and make a post when there is more.


    Have a Happy 4th of July [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif[/img]!

    MJ

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    MJ,
    Just ordered a brass Hi-Power 5 red LED AA light...OK, my wife ordered it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Anyway, the Hi-Power option hit just in time for my order so this will be interesting.
    Does the Hi-Power option use different LEDs or are they overdriven a bit? If they are overdriven, by how much?
    I will be heading across the pond in a few months and really need a higher output red LED light than my Arc AAA can provide. Although a "blackout" light made of brass is a bit odd [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hahaha.gif[/img] it will be easier to identify in the dark. I can always throw some heatshrink on it if too shiny.
    Sometimes you got to say what the #$*& and get a different light than gray or black. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    Hey Dallas,

    I just checked your website for any updates and it is looking good! The design has changed since I last saw it, an it is definitely superior and much more user-friendly. Thanks!

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    MJ,
    Just ordered a brass Hi-Power 5 red LED AA light...OK, my wife ordered it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Anyway, the Hi-Power option hit just in time for my order so this will be interesting.
    Does the Hi-Power option use different LEDs or are they overdriven a bit? If they are overdriven, by how much?
    I will be heading across the pond in a few months and really need a higher output red LED light than my Arc AAA can provide. Although a "blackout" light made of brass is a bit odd [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hahaha.gif[/img] it will be easier to identify in the dark. I can always throw some heatshrink on it if too shiny.
    Sometimes you got to say what the #$*& and get a different light than gray or black. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    Hello Everyone:

    Sorry been away on expedition over the holiday weekend. Good question here is some information on this.


    “ Standard Output version ” : Current to the LED’s limited to 23ma maximum.

    “ Hi-Power Output version “ : Current to the LED’s limited to 30ma maximum.

    “ Ultra-Power Output version “ : Current to the LED’s limited to 40ma maximum.
    ( note: Ultra-Power version only available at this time through the Custom Design Center )


    LED manufactures recommend maximum current to WHITE LED’s is 30ma.
    Recommended maximum current to RED LED’s is 50ma.


    “Hi-Power Outputs versions” are not overdriving the LED’s

    An Ultra-Power Output version of 40ma to each LED would overdrive a WHITE LED, but would still be under the recommended limits of A RED LED.

    At 23ma drive current ( Standard version ) the life of a WHITE LED would be about 8,000 hours, and a RED LED at about 90,000 hours.

    At 30ma drive current ( Hi-Power version ) the life of a WHITE LED would be about 6,000 hours, and a RED LED at about 50,000 hours.

    At 40ma drive current ( Ultra-Power version ) the life of a WHITE LED would be about 2,000 hours, and a RED LED at about 20,000 hours.

    Stated hours are with a bench current supply. Individual LED life times vary by as much as 20%. Battery drive hours tend to be longer.


    Personal note: That was really nice of your wife.
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    MJ, I was looking at the black HA AA Hi Power lights, and there seems to be a price discrepency-

    1.5v AA Anodized 3 LED White Hi-Power

    $44.95

    1.5v AA Anodized 3 LED Red Hi-Power

    $39.95


    1.5v AA Anodized 5 LED White Hi-Power

    $39.95

    1.5v AA Anodized 5 LED Red Hi-Power

    $44.95

    Is this correct?

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    Hey Dallas,

    I just checked your website for any updates and it is looking good! The design has changed since I last saw it, an it is definitely superior and much more user-friendly. Thanks!

    [/ QUOTE ]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]Thank you!

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]And a thank you to everyone that has provided suggestions. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

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    Fitz said:
    MJ, I was looking at the black HA AA Hi Power lights, and there seems to be a price discrepency-

    1.5v AA Anodized 3 LED White Hi-Power

    $44.95

    1.5v AA Anodized 3 LED Red Hi-Power

    $39.95


    1.5v AA Anodized 5 LED White Hi-Power

    $39.95

    1.5v AA Anodized 5 LED Red Hi-Power

    $44.95

    Is this correct?

    [/ QUOTE ]


    No, I have corrected it.

    1.5v AA Anodized 3 LED White Hi-Power

    $44.95 ( corrected $39.95 )

    1.5v AA Anodized 3 LED Red Hi-Power

    $39.95


    1.5v AA Anodized 5 LED White Hi-Power

    $39.95 ( corrected $ 44.95 )

    1.5v AA Anodized 5 LED Red Hi-Power

    $44.95

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]Thank you for pointing that out. Ouch! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif[/img][img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif[/img]


    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Just checked on a few things and a few people got lucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] My error their win.

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    I think some overdriving is ok, especially in a multi-LED light, where if an LED blows out from the overdrive, there are still a couple more running. Are the electronics built in a way that having one LED blow out doesn't cause the remaining ones to either blow or stop being lit?

    Arc, CMG, etc. run LED's at 50+ mA, so 40 mA "ultra power" doesn't seem like aggressive overdriving at all. 2000 hours of operating time is more than most any portable light will ever see. It's more of an issue in fixed lighting.

    How about a 3-led light with 1 red, 1 green, and 1 blue LED, with the drive currents set so they blend together as white? That should give higher efficiency than a phosphor-type white led, and have no phosphor to wear out.

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    I think some overdriving is ok, especially in a multi-LED light, where if an LED blows out from the overdrive, there are still a couple more running. Are the electronics built in a way that having one LED blow out doesn't cause the remaining ones to either blow or stop being lit?

    Arc, CMG, etc. run LED's at 50+ mA, so 40 mA "ultra power" doesn't seem like aggressive overdriving at all. 2000 hours of operating time is more than most any portable light will ever see. It's more of an issue in fixed lighting.

    How about a 3-led light with 1 red, 1 green, and 1 blue LED, with the drive currents set so they blend together as white? That should give higher efficiency than a phosphor-type white led, and have no phosphor to wear out.

    [/ QUOTE ]


    Yes, the circuit design is structured that if one LED out of multiple die the rest will continue to run at their same function.

    Red, Green, Blue mix: [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]No joke: done that, out come not good. You never know though technology is an amazing thing.

    Your correct the 40ma ( Ultra ) is not an excessive overdrive, but this is designed as option not a limitation.

    If we were to stock every possibility there is to a unit we would be looking at the operational capital of lets say Bill Gates. Not going to happen anytime soon. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

    That is why we designed the Custom Design Center. It was designed to be able to expand all the possibilities and release some of the limitations. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

    When we first started this we were looking at about 350 variations in possibilities. As soon as the last bit of items are up we will be offering 660 variations in possibilities as standard stock items. And yet we are just beginning. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    Like I once stated before. If you might like something different just ask and we will do our best to see what we can do.

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    done [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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    I think I'd get rid of the low and high power options as standard inventory. If you don't want to overdrive, just run at the manufacturer's spec of 30 mA or whatever. There's not enough difference between 20 mA and 30 mA to bother stocking both versions, especially for the 20 mA multi-LED light (someone wanting less output will go for a single led). I could see some virtue to an "extended runtime" single-LED light at about 10 mA though, filling in for the lamented CMG Infinity (non-Ultra).

    Anyone got runtime graphs of the current products? I remember the early ones having not-so-great electronics.

    I'm interested to find out about the 1x123 light with the spare cell. I've been asking for something like that for a while here on CPF. Although, I think it would be nicer using CR2 rather than 123, for a smaller light.

    I'm hoping you don't actually stock 660 types of completed lights, but rather have a few dozen types of machined parts (counting all the different finishes), a few dozen PC boards, and mix and match the boards with the metal parts as the orders come in. Maybe you can post about your processes sometime.

    Finally I hope you offer some silver colored lights sometime. It looks nicer than gold-plating in my opinion.

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    MJ,
    Great news! Now I know more about drive levels concerning red LEDs, thanks for the explaination. My wife bought me that light because I am going to a place that a higher power red LED light can be used. Since morters are aimed at bright, white lights... red is a better option.
    I'll give it a workout and let you and CPF know how well it works in sand, dust, heat, rain, sand storms, daily showers and 200--500 hours of use over a 4 month time span. Thousands of other people will get to play with it (I was known as the guy with the bright, bluish minimag last year in the sandbox) Just wondering if you ship to APO AE (or whatever it is now) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
    A double ended 5 LED red and one LED red would be great--if it used a AA battery. Lithium batteries are a no-no (I will sneak the lithium AAs inside about 5 flashlights [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sssh.gif[/img] )Oh well, can't have it all I guess. I should get the light in the mail tomorrow, get to play with it for 6 weeks then actually use it for 4 months.

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    I'd agree with ditching the 20mA option on the multi-LED
    lights.

    Unless you are selling them based on run time
    people will not pick a dimmer light. And if they do
    they will pick the single LED one. So single LED may
    be the only place where the 20mA is a good option to
    have.

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    I agree. There isn't enough of a difference between the LED life when driven at 30ma as opposed to 20ma. To save yourselves money, I'd eliminate the 20ma as an option and just go 30 ma for all of them.

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    Maybe the difference between the 20ma and 30 ma models is just placing a jumper somewhere on a circuit.

    In case you haven't noticed, Peak appears to like lots of options. Lol. I have ordered from them, and they were in stock.

    I have no problem with more options, if they can keep stock: so far there hasn't been a problem. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

    My 2 cents. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    ...Lithium batteries are a no-no...

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    Just curious why the Lithiums are a no-no? Are they worried you might be mixing up a big batch of crank? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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    The guy at the military side of the airport was digging through my bag looking for lithium batteries, he explained it like this: It would seem that lithium batteries can burn/explode etc and they don't want them on military aircraft for obvious reasons. Way back when dirt was young, a lithium battery caught fire/exploded and made a rather large mess of an aircraft, they banned them after that.

    That ban continues to this day, I was checked last year in Germany (after my flight BTW [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jpshakehead.gif[/img] ) This time, I will "hide" my AA lithiums inside flashlights (sneaky, no?) I will have my usual alkaline and NiMH AA batteries for cover.

    Imagine if you were going to a place with no light for 4 months. A flashaholics dream in a way. If you took an Arc4+, Surefire L4 and an Inova X5 with red LEDs, they look for those types and try to find the lithium 123a batteries. I would imagine taking at least 48 or more 123a batteries with me so they would be hard to hide.

    My brass Peak 5 red LED light will be the only one running the lithiums so the 8 lithium AAs should last me 4 months. The Arc AAA red runs alkalines and the minimags use NiMH so I will be set.

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    Just wondering if you ship to APO AE (or whatever it is now) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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    Yes, we can [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    paulr said:Maybe you can post about your processes sometime.

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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]Give me a few days to get a few things finished around here and I will me more then happy to.

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    Finally I hope you offer some silver colored lights sometime. It looks nicer than gold-plating in my opinion.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    We will be offer Stainless steel soon. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif[/img] If you are meaning in a dye version [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif[/img] Don't think anytime soon at this point.

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