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Sold/Expired announcing the GOTHAM by Leef and Milky

Leef

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Lyte-speede, Milky has done the Gotham at 1.0 Amp and it seems to work well -- in fact, at least one purchaser specified this (he bought one of the very few that Milky sold directly). I can't say much since I'm not the elctronics guy, but 1.0A. is workable. Maybe the Milkster will opine...:thinking:
 

milkyspit

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I'm posting this question here (to Milky and Leef) as oposed to e-mail or PM so others may benefit as well.

It's evident the Gotham design offers a decided balance of features--runtime, max bright, UI, heat management, etc. There has been mention of the inevitable mod here and there ("this is CPF" as Milky puts it).

It's obvious that pushing the max brightness from its optimum design of 867+/- ma to say 1000ma(1amp) will reduce runtime a bit but by how much?? -- A rough percentage maybe?

And, more importantly in my opinion, how might this affect the stability of its design (or) the circuits ability to regulate output if at all? A lessor concern, when does heat management become an issue with the Gotham design?

Lyte-speede, Milky has done the Gotham at 1.0 Amp and it seems to work well -- in fact, at least one purchaser specified this (he bought one of the very few that Milky sold directly). I can't say much since I'm not the elctronics guy, but 1.0A. is workable. Maybe the Milkster will opine...:thinking:

It's obvious that pushing the max brightness from its optimum design of 867+/- ma to say 1000ma(1amp) will reduce runtime a bit but by how much?? -- A rough percentage maybe?

Runtime at 1A will be perhaps 80-90% that of the 867mA output.

And, more importantly in my opinion, how might this affect the stability of its design (or) the circuits ability to regulate output if at all? A lessor concern, when does heat management become an issue with the Gotham design?

The circuit will handle the higher drive level nicely... in fact, in custom builds (of other lights but using the same Acorn driver as used in the Gotham) I've driven the output as high as 2000mA without problems.

Regulation at 1000mA in the Gotham will start out fine... the output will begin gradual dimming at some point partway through battery discharge, though the rate of dimming will initially be so gradual that the human eye won't notice it... later in the curve the rate of dimming will increase. This differs from the 867mA regulation curve in that 867mA tends to stay flatter for longer before starting to dim.

Not sure when heat becomes an issue. A 1000mA setting will run fine so long as the emitter has been optimally mounted to the heatsinking surface... 867mA will function with a somewhat marginal emitter-to-heatsink interface whereas 1000mA is less forgiving in this regard. Note I'm talking about extended runs here... for very short runs, the difference isn't all that significant.

As far as max output current the system can accommodate in terms of thermal management, that remains an open issue, but it does seem to be somewhere in excess of 1000mA.

Stability on 1x18650 (LiON) or 2x123 (primary) is not an issue at 1000mA.
 

mikes1

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Just got my Gotham and all I can say is WOW! What a great light light thanks to Leef Milky and the Hound :twothumbs

Has any one tried one with a LOP reflector and if so what did you use?

Mike
 

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Just got my Gotham and all I can say is WOW! What a great light light thanks to Leef Milky and the Hound :twothumbs

Has any one tried one with a LOP reflector and if so what did you use?

Mike


Mike, glad you like your Gotham! :eek:

A McR20 reflector should fit in the head nicely... just unscrew the bezel ring and remove the lens and o-ring underneath, then gently tap the light to allow the stock reflector to drop out, seat the McR20 reflector, and reverse the above to reassemble. Should work out fine.
 

Mad1

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You can put me down for one of the new batch. Maybe a Cree Q5 led in this one?
 

Crash

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I don't think another batch is planned. I think it was only supposed to be a limited run of 100 lights. I don't have any inside information, however, so if someone else has better info, please correct me. I just didn't want you to get your hopes up for no reason. It really is an excellent light - just what you'd expect from Leef and Milky.
 

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I use mine regularly, but if there WOULD be another run I'd like to see: a) HA coating - black or natural, b) simpler design on the machining, and a design to make it somewhat grippier (O-rings work, but not the most elegant solution) and c) 1000+ma - brighter is always better, as long as the low stays nice and low.
just my $0.02
gg :D
 

iconoclast

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The machining is what first caught my interest in this light. The machine work is incredible. It just so happens that it make a damn good flashlight too. I would still love to see one in black though... :poke:
 

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I'd like to see it in Ti. Word has it Leef has a few unfinished copies which he'll do in different platings, including gold. :naughty:

How much for a gold plated copy, Leef? :whistle:
 

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Mike, glad you like your Gotham! :eek:

A McR20 reflector should fit in the head nicely... just unscrew the bezel ring and remove the lens and o-ring underneath, then gently tap the light to allow the stock reflector to drop out, seat the McR20 reflector, and reverse the above to reassemble. Should work out fine.


Thanks for the info just ordered McR20 will let you know how it works out

Thanks again :twothumbs

Mike
 

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When's the next batch due? Presuming, of course, there's a next batch?

I agree with Masque...when is the next batch due? These lights look awesome!

Thaks guys! Leef has been pretty busy as of late so we haven't discussed concrete plans for the next run of Gotham, its possible successor, or whatever. Will keep folks posted as that comes more into focus. :thinking:

You can put me down for one of the new batch. Maybe a Cree Q5 led in this one?

Got it. Thanks! Cree is of course a possibility, especially if we can source some particularly low Vf pieces.

I use mine regularly, but if there WOULD be another run I'd like to see: a) HA coating - black or natural, b) simpler design on the machining, and a design to make it somewhat grippier (O-rings work, but not the most elegant solution) and c) 1000+ma - brighter is always better, as long as the low stays nice and low.
just my $0.02
gg :D

Leef and I have discussed a 'Gotham Tactical' variation, which would basically be a HA-BK coated light with knurling on the body... it wouldn't be intended to replace the existing Gotham, but rather complement it. Some folks do prefer the KISS approach when it comes to platings and external design. It's possible that model would come in at a lower price point, too, but that's just a guess.

The machining is what first caught my interest in this light. The machine work is incredible. It just so happens that it make a damn good flashlight too. I would still love to see one in black though... :poke:

We do have a handful of unplated Gotham bodies at present, stowed away in Leef's shop. These were intended for small run experimental platings. AFAIK none have been plated yet, but if anyone wants one in unplated aluminum I could probably build that way.

I'd like to see it in Ti. Word has it Leef has a few unfinished copies which he'll do in different platings, including gold. :naughty:

How much for a gold plated copy, Leef? :whistle:

Ti would be neat! Not sure if it's as simple as running Ti bar stock for the same CNC program, or if it would necessitate completely new CNC programming. Also not sure on costs. It is worth thinking about though.
 
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I'm not sure the gorgeous machining design would 'pop' in a dark finish, like black. I think it needs a shinier finish; Ti, Gold, Sterling Silver, or maybe Chrome.
 

iconoclast

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I'm not sure the gorgeous machining design would 'pop' in a dark finish, like black. I think it needs a shinier finish; Ti, Gold, Sterling Silver, or maybe Chrome.

Definitely deserves a shiny chrome-ish black, not a matte black. That said, there are some really nice black-chrome-ish platings out there, however few and far between they may be.

Deep in my crazed mind are visions of a follow-up "Goth" with the same approach to machining, only in a 123a form-factor, in Ti, with an AlTiN coating.
But until that day, I'll just keep goading Milky/Leef about making a highly polished shiny black creation with one of the bodies they've stashed away. :devil:
 
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