stanley Fat Max XML spotlight !!!

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Had a great time last night with PCC, BC and gswitter on a little bay area night hike... heres some commentary I posted on BLF...

Yeah this ones definitely an XML thrower.
It noticeably out-threw my HD2010 (T6 @ 3.5A, 45-50K lux), with a tighter, more concentrated beam at any distance. While the HD2010 beam is tight, it will open up and spread out at ~150-200 yards. The Stanley beam remains more tightly concentrated at much farther distances (approximately 100+ yards beyond that). These are all ball-park distances.

The instructions say to fully charge the light for 6 hours before using it for the first time. It should be noted that I only gave it about 3-4 hours. So impressions above were made on the partially depleted Lithium battery inside. I let it charge overnight and I woke up this morning with the red flashing LED turned on solid green. Indicating a full charge.

bigchelis noticed my LED is slightly off-center. There were 2-3 of these on the shelf and I picked the one with the best centered LED. On a white-wall the beam spot is a _*very*_ slightly egg-shaped. But in the field its not noticeable.

Its definitely got some mass to it as well. Its not just an empty plastic shell. So I think there is some heatsink cooling mass inside the light. I only really used it for spot-on bursts last night, but the outer heatsinks never really got warm. It was also very cold out for the first 1/3 of the night with a strong swirling wind. But it warmed at least 10-15 degrees for most of the evening. This light never got noticeably warm to the touch. I hand-carried it very comfortably for the last half of the hike, spot-lighting targets off in the distance and comparing it with the HD2010. Its DEFINITELY MUCH lighter than the Stanley HID, and much easier to pack and hand carry.

I'll be taking it apart and posting lots of pics later today.... but out of the box this ones a winner. At $50 its unmatched as an XML thrower. You will have to spend probably $100-$150 to get another XML light that throws this far (if one even exists in that price range).

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Some disappointing news on the DIY front... I was unable to get the light apart. I easily removed the plastic kick stand, rubber handle grip, rubber bezel boot and all the screws easily enough. But the clamshell halves could not be separated. I pried and wrenched the two halves (like I always do when salvaging laptop-pack cells)... but the bugger simply wouldn't pull apart. At one point I was afraid I had damaged/loosened the pivot joint of my Spyderco, I was bending it pretty good. No dice on this one. I was able to loosen it a bit and re-adjust the rubber gasket around the lens. But in the process I got some loose dirt/debris on the reflector.

So I can't tell what battery this light uses, or exactly how the heatsink thermal design works.
 
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Great review Kramer - I'm definitely going to check one of these out in the next couple days. Sounds like a must-have for all the boaters out there; Bad Hobbit, are you reading this?
 

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Sure np...

I removed all the stickers off mine except the heatsink warning label, and couldn't find any more hidden screws. Looks a lot nicer without the stickers...IMHO

I ran some more crude tests to try and determine LED current.

First I did a thermal stability test by ceiling bounce comparison with my 3.5A driven HD2010 (note that its a 3.5A-7135 driver, but factoring in resistive losses the LED probably sees ~3.2A, I was told this by the member who modded the board). The HD2010 was slightly brighter. I guess the difference in brightness was "perceivable but not significant". I then ran the stanley for 15 minutes unattended in a hot, stuffy, un-ventilated garage. It was about 85-90F in there. At the end of the run the heatsinks were hot to the touch, but not "panful-scalding-alarmingly hot". I could still keep my hand firmly on it, without removing it form pain. I repeated the ceiling bounce comparison with the hot H/S and the difference in relative brightness levels remained about the same. So this leads me to think the stanley circuit design is not exceeding the thermal capabilities of its heatsink. Its definitely not being driven at 3-3.5A.

I let the stanley cool down and did another ceiling bounce comparison. For this I used the HD2010 and the MXDL turbohead (modded both with 7135 drivers). Both lights have ~52mm reflectors and are designed for XML throw. Both use T6 BIN emitters and are in the 45-50K lux vicinity. Between the two lights I have output modes at ~1.5A, 2.5A and 3.2A (again factoring in losses) at my disposal. Beween the 3 current levels the stanley is _slightly_ dimmer than the 2.5A, and more noticeably brighter than the 1.7A. If I had to venture a wild guess, its somewhere in the vicinity of 2.0-2.3A.

I really wish I could get the damn thing apart!!!

It uses some kind of E-switch to control mode switching so theres most likely an EPROM in there somewhere.
 
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Sure np...

I removed all the stickers off mine except the heatsink warning label, and couldn't find any more hidden screws. Looks a lot nicer without the stickers...IMHO

I ran some more crude tests to try and determine LED current.

First I did a thermal stability test by ceiling bounce comparison with my 3.5A driven HD2010 (note that its a 3.5A-7135 driver, but factoring in resistive losses the LED probably sees ~3.2A, I was told this by the member who modded the board). The HD2010 was slightly brighter. I guess the difference in brightness was "perceivable but not significant". I then ran the stanley for 15 minutes unattended in a hot, stuffy, un-ventilated garage. It was about 85-90F in there. At the end of the run the heatsinks were hot to the touch, but not "panful-scalding-alarmingly hot". I could still keep my hand firmly on it, without removing it form pain. I repeated the ceiling bounce comparison with the hot H/S and the difference in relative brightness levels remained about the same. So this leads me to think the stanley circuit design is not exceeding the thermal capabilities of its heatsink. Its definitely not being driven at 3-3.5A.

I let the stanley cool down and did another ceiling bounce comparison. For this I used the HD2010 and the MXDL turbohead (modded both with 7135 drivers). Both lights have ~52mm reflectors and are designed for XML throw. Both use T6 BIN emitters and are in the 45-50K lux vicinity. Between the two lights I have output modes at ~1.5A, 2.5A and 3.2A (again factoring in losses) at my disposal. Beween the 3 current levels the stanley is _slightly_ dimmer than the 2.5A, and more noticeably brighter than the 1.7A. If I had to venture a wild guess, its somewhere in the vicinity of 2.0-2.3A.

I really wish I could get the damn thing apart!!!

It uses some kind of E-switch to control mode switching so theres most likely an EPROM in there somewhere.

I am suprised it did not come apart easily. my stanley hid came apart no problem. I wonder why it wont open.

If you had to guess how many lumans do you think this is putting out? i was going to say 800 to 900 but the big reflector makes it very bright so im not sure(box says 2000 lumans which i loled at)
I would say lux would be between 60 and 70k but thats just a guess.
 

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I am suprised it did not come apart easily. my stanley hid came apart no problem. I wonder why it wont open.

If you had to guess how many lumans do you think this is putting out? i was going to say 800 to 900 but the big reflector makes it very bright so im not sure(box says 2000 lumans which i loled at)
I would say lux would be between 60 and 70k but thats just a guess.
I would say somewhere in the 750 lumen range. I'm just going off the spill brightness vs my TK60.
 

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I am suprised it did not come apart easily. my stanley hid came apart no problem. I wonder why it wont open.

If you had to guess how many lumans do you think this is putting out? i was going to say 800 to 900 but the big reflector makes it very bright so im not sure(box says 2000 lumans which i loled at)
I would say lux would be between 60 and 70k but thats just a guess.

Yeah the HID is a BREEZE to take apart compared to this one.

I have no idea how many lumens it does.... somewhere between 500-1000, and definitely NOT 2000 (I know not the answer anyone is looking for). I quite simply have nothing above 235 Lumens to base-line it against.
 

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My under driven light that I brought to the hike is putting out a measured 550 lumens OTF and that Stanley easily put out more light. I would put it in the 700 lumens ballpark, though I could be referencing Lux instead of lumens.
 

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Got a chance to play with my new FatMax and I'm super impressed with the output and throw on it. It's not too often that I get impressed with a light from Walmart. It's smaller than I expected it to be and really light. As soon as it charged up I pulled out my S12 figuring the Stanley had no chance and pointed the S12 down my hallway and then turned on the Stanley and it just completely blew the S12 away, the hotspot is really intense!

Also, does anyone's wall charger make a slight high pitch squeal?
 

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Got a chance to play with my new FatMax and I'm super impressed with the output and throw on it. It's not too often that I get impressed with a light from Walmart. It's smaller than I expected it to be and really light. As soon as it charged up I pulled out my S12 figuring the Stanley had no chance and pointed the S12 down my hallway and then turned on the Stanley and it just completely blew the S12 away, the hotspot is really intense!

Also, does anyone's wall charger make a slight high pitch squeal?


yes mine is squealing away right now. very high pitch. kind of annoying but all my stanley chargers do this so this.
 

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Got a chance to play with my new FatMax and I'm super impressed with the output and throw on it. It's not too often that I get impressed with a light from Walmart. It's smaller than I expected it to be and really light. As soon as it charged up I pulled out my S12 figuring the Stanley had no chance and pointed the S12 down my hallway and then turned on the Stanley and it just completely blew the S12 away, the hotspot is really intense!

Also, does anyone's wall charger make a slight high pitch squeal?

If mine does, its well beyond the range of my hearing. I have age-induced hearing loss above ~8khz though.

One more thing I noticed this morning... the light gets very slightly warm at the "tail" end when charging. Thats expected with any charging circuit, so nothing out of the ordinary here. The light is UL and ETL certified for safety. But, as with ANY Lithium-based charging system you should unplug it once the cell has topped off. Given the LSD characteristics of the Lithium cell chemistry, theres really no reason to leave it plugged in 24/7.

Nice affordable thrower IMHO!!
 

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Went to Walmart to pick up another XML FatMax for my Dad and they are sold out of the XML FatMax now, I took a picture of the smaller FatMax spotlight ($39.99).

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Went to Walmart to pick up another XML FatMax for my Dad and they are sold out of the XML FatMax now

This is the same thing we went through when the HID was released; somehow even when the hot new light looks exactly
like the others, is hidden behind the others, it sells out almost immediately. There may be quite a few more people lurking these New Stanley threads than meets the eye..
 

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Hi all,

Has anybody else had success opening one of these up?

What cell does it use?

What voltage input?

LED current?

Using this Stanley light this past Friday (Krammer5150's) I can only imagine how much more this Spot light can be improved. I can envision a XM-L U2 bin, 3.5A~4.5A driver, and maybe improve the battery pack with a set of IMR 26650's...

I have not seen a spot or throw light at such a bargain before and I will pick up my very own later today.

bigC
 

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A very interesting spotlight. It's ironic, but I was at Walmart tonight unaware of this thread and seen a new waterproof Stanley spotlight that had a XPG in it. It looked to be a little smaller than the fatmax and was rated at 500 lumens. Even 500 led lumens from a XPG has my doubts. Glad I didnt buy it. Gotta buy myself a fatmax now.....

fatmax 2000 - xm-l
fatmax 520 - xp-c
 

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I just bought one of these at a Walmart in Lexington, VA. I hope it is better than the last two Stanley spotlight's I bought. Got one last year from Sam's that claimed 500 lumens and returned it. I had a 150 lumen flashlight that was just as bright as it was. I also have another Stanley spotlight that claimed 192 lumens, and it was the same brightness at that one. I also had the Stanley HID for a few days. It was bright, but only ran for about 30 minutes and the dimmer on it did not work. My new one is charging now, and I probably will not get a chance to test it until we get back from vacation this weekend.
 

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I hope it is better than the last two Stanley spotlight's I bought.

Make sure you're testing these spotlights outdoors at night; if you only compare beam profiles indoors on a white wall, you're not seeing how bright they actually are over distance, which is the point of a spotlight. And the dimmer switch on the HID does work, but it takes a couple of minutes to gradually adjust to the new output level, so it's not noticeable to the eye.
 

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fatmax 2000 - xm-l
fatmax 520 - XP-C

**EDIT** My commentary below may be incorrect in regards to the XP-C. When you factor in over-drive currents, advanced thermal deigns and more $$$ heatsinking materials.

Red flag warning on this one... The XP-C is a HORRID emitter, that should be avoided at any cost. The lowest surface brightness I have found with any of the popular Cree emitters. Its a small (tiny) die, in a big reflector... so its a small, tight, but dim spot.

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