More EV negatives

[Chauncey Gardiner]

Like a child using a playing card to think they have a motor.

Not even close. They do have a motor.

Comments as such aren't going to win you any converts or friends.

Remember the bar scene in Pulp Fiction when Vincent whispered that Paul, the bartender, was an asshole? Why do I ask? No reason.

 

[mrfixitman]

Not even close. They do have a motor.

Comments as such aren't going to win you any converts or friends.

Remember the bar scene in Pulp Fiction when Vincent whispered that Paul, the bartender, was an asshole? Why do I ask? No reason.

Making loud sounds with a motor vehicle is childish. Not to mention rude and illegal. Remember what happened to the Diesel Brothers?

 

[Monocrom]

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Tesla owner locked out of his car until he pays $26,000 for a new battery

The Tesla would not open until it had a new battery installed, which could cost as much as $26,000

www.unilad.com

Oh my goodness.... This reminds me of an ASMR role-play I did several months back on my ASMR YouTube channel. (Not my main channel.) Self-driving car locked its owner out of it, then drove itself to the nearest branded dealership of the same type. Owner then has a conversation with a customer service operator who tells him he missed a couple of payments, so the car repossessed itself! Thing is, that was just a fantasy role-play. Apparently I was wrong! More realistic than I thought.

 

[Monocrom]

No oil changes, tune ups, filters, exhaust systems. Reduced brake wear. No trips to the gas station; charge at home (except apartment dwellers at the moment).

And all of that gets completely off-set when it's time to replace the battery. (And I thought alkalines were getting up there in price.)

 

[alpg88]

@mrfixitman
A. learn how to quote properly, second part of the post 120 is not mine, do not fake my posts, you really do not want me to start doing it to you.
B. i genuinely question your purpose here, out of 212 posts, you made 1 about a flashlight, and few about batteries very loosely related to flashlights, the rest are all about ev and politics, seems like your purpose here is to stir political arguments and simply troll, you have absolutely no interest, knowledge about flashlights, Are you sure this forum is for you? I doubt it. you "bring nothing to the table".

 

[Toulouse42]

Morning chaps. Can someone tell me please how I contact the moderator, Mr Ed ? Thank you.

 

[Lowglow]

I'm in the UK. In our household we have 4 cars with an average age of 28 years. All give reliable and economic running and can be relied upon to do long journeys with ease. One was £50 in 1999 and another free in 1995. So wanting an expensive EV is so far away from what we are enjoying it's unreal. I think half the problem is that ICE vehicles from the last 15 years or so are designed to be disposable so consumers are used to regular spending one way or another so an EV with maybe less spending is a pleasant change.

Customers who look for technology over longevity will see an EV a good thing. I'm probably a minority but I'm contented with a simple cassette deck, a simple engine and cars simple enough to fix myself with low cost parts as required (not often).

I ABSOLUTELY don't need high performance as even 44 bhp is enough to keep up with the traffic. I don't care for silence as the engine's smooth sound is nice (4 cylinder ohv) and filling up at my local petrol station is a joy with a chance to chat as the owner fills up my car and I always leave feeling better.

In the UK the roads are pretty narrow with small parking spaces so with my car width of 63 inches it feels relaxing to drive and park. I don't see any EV with a width of that or smaller.

So nothing an EV offers is of any value to me.

 

[bykfixer]

Thank you lowglow.

 

[Lowglow]

Thank you lowglow.

No problem 🙂. I've been a car enthusiast since a toddler. I don't think I'd be an enthusiast growing up now though, most people find anything to do with cars 'boring' now and liken them to an appliance. No looking after them, no long term plans, no interest. Knowing how a car works is 'nerdy and sad' and dealers certainly don't foster young enthusiasts with offers of brochures and sitting the latest couupé. I feel sad it's come to this. I could go on but I'd better stop 😋

 

[bykfixer]

No problem 🙂. I've been a car enthusiast since a toddler. I don't think I'd be an enthusiast growing up now though, most people find anything to do with cars 'boring' now and liken them to an appliance. No looking after them, no long term plans, no interest. Knowing how a car works is 'nerdy and sad' and dealers certainly don't foster young enthusiasts with offers of brochures and sitting the latest couupé. I feel sad it's come to this. I could go on but I'd better stop 😋

No go on.

I agree, there isn't much to like about a car that doesn't even have a dipstick to check the oil to a "car guy". When I bought my wife's latest car I didn't even lift the hood for a few days. Curiosity got to me about what size the battery is. Turns out it's about the size of a lawn mower battery. Now, she likes the touch screen, heated seats and the backup camera. I just drive it like the other lemmings going from point a to b. "Ugh! So boring". 😵‍💫

Now, when my son calls me and says his old jalopy has an issue I say "heck yeah, I'll be there in 20 minutes" then get on my bicycle and ride to his house.

My work truck would not play music from a speaker when in bluetooth mode. It was still under warranty. I take it to the shop and the guy says "my computer says it's X", a $900 part. They replace it. Nope, still not working. Now for the radio and cd player all speakers worked. Guy says "the computer now says it's Y". Three weeks later they've replaced the entire thing to the tune of $3000 their cost. Still not working. I said "are you sure it isn't just a loose wire?". Well, it turned out to be a wire that had never been connected at the factory.

 

[Chauncey Gardiner]

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california keeps spending billions on aliens, and not those from space, while losing tax paying residents, so all infrastructure upgrades will come from raised prices and taxes, when their electricity bills triple and property tax doubles, i doubt they will be happy about ev cars, oh yea and tax on sun, and wind do not sound crazy

Speculation. California is doing the moral thing and self interest. LA basin used to be an eye watering experience driving through. Not now. EVs are making a daily difference in health. Not to mention pollution goes from West to East. You're welcome.,

The above is another post that is not going to win @mrfixitman any converts or friends. Everyone understands that it is verboten to change the wording of another member's post when quoting it sans also including a Fixed It For You tag.

@alpg88 Called out @mrfixitman concerning the bad behavior, but as yet mrfixitman has not seen fit to clean up the 💩 he dumped on this thread.

@mrfixitman
A. learn how to quote properly, second part of the post 120 is not mine, do not fake my posts, you really do not want me to start doing it to you.
B. i genuinely question your purpose here, out of 212 posts, you made 1 about a flashlight, and few about batteries very loosely related to flashlights, the rest are all about ev and politics, seems like your purpose here is to stir political arguments and simply troll, you have absolutely no interest, knowledge about flashlights, Are you sure this forum is for you? I doubt it. you "bring nothing to the table".

 

[KITROBASKIN]

Morning chaps. Can someone tell me please how I contact the moderator, Mr Ed ? Thank you.

Report yourself?

 

[Toulouse42]

Report yourself?

No need now. alpg88 and others have done what I was going to do.

Thank you.

 

[jabe1]

No go on.

I agree, there isn't much to like about a car that doesn't even have a dipstick to check the oil to a "car guy". When I bought my wife's latest car I didn't even lift the hood for a few days. Curiosity got to me about what size the battery is. Turns out it's about the size of a lawn mower battery. Now, she likes the touch screen, heated seats and the backup camera. I just drive it like the other lemmings going from point a to b. "Ugh! So boring". 😵‍💫

Now, when my son calls me and says his old jalopy has an issue I say "heck yeah, I'll be there in 20 minutes" then get on my bicycle and ride to his house.

My work truck would not play music from a speaker when in bluetooth mode. It was still under warranty. I take it to the shop and the guy says "my computer says it's X", a $900 part. They replace it. Nope, still not working. Now for the radio and cd player all speakers worked. Guy says "the computer now says it's Y". Three weeks later they've replaced the entire thing to the tune of $3000 their cost. Still not working. I said "are you sure it isn't just a loose wire?". Well, it turned out to be a wire that had never been connected at the factory.

I was a tech for a number of years through the late '80s into the late '90s.
It seems like most guys these days are just parts replacement specialists or some such. Follow the flow chart until it says "replace with known good component"
They can turn a wrench, but give them something out of the ordinary, or that the diagnostic computer can't do and they're completely flummoxed. Sad.
Every chance I have I make my 16 year old son think through an odd noise or mechanical problem whether it be car related or a home appliance.
It's good to know how it all works.

 

[bykfixer]

 

[sim1tti]

I'm in the UK. In our household we have 4 cars with an average age of 28 years. All give reliable and economic running and can be relied upon to do long journeys with ease. One was £50 in 1999 and another free in 1995. So wanting an expensive EV is so far away from what we are enjoying it's unreal. I think half the problem is that ICE vehicles from the last 15 years or so are designed to be disposable so consumers are used to regular spending one way or another so an EV with maybe less spending is a pleasant change.

Customers who look for technology over longevity will see an EV a good thing. I'm probably a minority but I'm contented with a simple cassette deck, a simple engine and cars simple enough to fix myself with low cost parts as required (not often).

I ABSOLUTELY don't need high performance as even 44 bhp is enough to keep up with the traffic. I don't care for silence as the engine's smooth sound is nice (4 cylinder ohv) and filling up at my local petrol station is a joy with a chance to chat as the owner fills up my car and I always leave feeling better.

In the UK the roads are pretty narrow with small parking spaces so with my car width of 63 inches it feels relaxing to drive and park. I don't see any EV with a width of that or smaller.

So nothing an EV offers is of any value to me.

This resonates with me––aside from the pleasure of getting gas! Filling up must be a different experience in the UK! 😄

I truly have no desire to buy a car any time soon and have always preferred to do repairs myself. Planned obsolesce is despicable. I'd gladly sacrifice the bells and whistles for economy and longevity.

Given that all of those downsides do also apply to the new ICE cars, it's hard for me to lament their decline on those grounds.

My diesel is is a 2015 and I can barely work on it. When I do, it's not even fun. Water pump went out and I had to have a mechanic replace it because of how much else would have been involved. A bit emberassing. The engine compartment is packed tighter than a brick. Computers govern everything. Special tools required to do many things. When I do work on it, I have to be careful not to offend any of the car's particular intolerances or peculiarities. Parts are insanely expensive (a $500 side-view mirror? C'mon!). Dealerships just want to overcharge for regular maintenance (that they somtimes botch), and mechanics cost a fortune to fix anything that breaks.

Working on a 2024 model anything? Forget about it. For me at least.

So yeah, it sucks, but I just don't see much a difference between the new ICEs and EVs in this regard.

 

[alpg88]

That is the reason I lease cars for 3 years, I do not want to deal with expensive repairs/ maintenance. I only change oil 7-8 times in 3 years, even brakes and tires i still return original, I had a 2016 sonata once that warped rotors at 25k, dealer said it is a wear and tear, so i replaced them myself, also those tires were garbage too, at 25k barely had any thread left, had to buy new ones, other cars, never replace/fix anything.

 

[alpg88]

My diesel is is a 2015 and I can barely work on it. When I do, it's not even fun. Water pump went out and I had to have a mechanic replace it because of how much else would have been involved.

early 2000s audi A8, to replace water pump, timing belt, need to remove; bumper cover, bumper, lights, header panel, radiator with fans, and unblot, move aside ac condenser.

 

[Chauncey Gardiner]

I know what you mean @sim1tti. I was given an estimate of $220 to change the V-belt on my mom's 2002 Lincoln.

HA! I thought. I'll change it myself in about 15 minutes.

Then I had a L@@K under the hood -

Realizing that I'd be unable to squeeze my normal-sized hands into where they'd need to go I decided to pay my brother-in-law $150 to do the R/R. He's not a mechanic, but he is a very good Gynecologist. 😁

 

[jabe1]

early 2000s audi A8, to replace water pump, timing belt, need to remove; bumper cover, bumper, lights, header panel, radiator with fans, and unblot, move aside ac condenser.

Many VW group cars are the same, they call it "service mode" or some such. My wife's old '05 Passat wagon needed the same treatment, I did it in the driveway.