Fenix T-1 From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots (GreenLED Review Added)

Willabbott

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UPDATE 11/30/07 8:20PM PST: Outdoor beamshots added at a distance of 20 and 50 yards... see post #3

Update 12/3/07: Additional review added by GreenLED, see post #23

So I see a number of reviews are popping up already about the T-1... and I'm a little late to the party.

However I just picked up a model from the post office that will later be sent to be abused by a fellow CPF member (he had it sent to me so I could pick it up for him for a Firearms class he is attending tomorrow)

My review thus far is based on first impressions, and we will have REAL world data tomorrow night (likely posted the following Sunday) The member and I will likely use the light as much as possible at the Low Light/Night Fire course tomorrow (I will try and use it as much as possible, but won't likely have much time to shoot)

My first impressions are based off of almost 10 years experience teaching firearms and related courses to private citizens, Private Security, law enforcement, and military. Including 2 years experience as a Private Security Officer myself. I do not claim to be an expert, or a know it all... I only know what has and does work for me, and what has and does work in the field based on my experience, and the experience of the many number of fellow instructors and students I've talked to about what has and hasn't worked for them in combat, and life.


First impressions are as follows.

This light is BIG... it's not your typical Fenix light, think 6P/G2. In fact the light is somewhere around 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch longer than a Surefire G2/6P. The head is approx 1/8 of an inch larger than the Surefires... and it's of course got some mass to it.

The finish seems good, what you'd expect from Fenix, there is some wear starting from the clip rubbing on the body, this is a demo unit from Fenix-Store, so who knows how much handling this unit has had prior to me getting it... I've only had the head off twice... I can't however tell if the wear marks are in fact wear of the finish, or what appears more likely is the clip rubbing off on the knurling.


Usability... Remember I'm rating this light for tactical use, which is what is was designed for... unfortunately I have to give point reductions here... The light is not very user friend for it's designed purpose... I'm sorry Fenix, you don't quite get what a tactical light is.

The light has issues in 2 of the 3 preferred methods for using a flashlight with a handgun... for me a light needs to be able to function easily in 2 of the 3, preference for all 3. Though it is usable, as it sits now this would be the last light I would grab for a defensive light.

The 3 techniques in question:

Harries.

For the Harries, the light works fine, the switch is a little difficult to activate, depending on hand and thumb placement, however it is usable, and passes the test for this technique.​



Cigar.

Unfortunately the first failure, it appears currently impossible to activate the light with the cigar technique... though other lights such as the E2D prove very difficult they can be used in this technique, all be it they aren't perfect, but usable... the T-1 unfortunately as of right now has not been able to be activated once using this technique...​



Side by Side

I see a trend here... though not as bad as above... the light is usable, however it's fairly difficult to activate. The light can be used, however for the best reliability the light technique needs to be modified to using the tip of the thumb to activate the light, my preference is to use the knuckle area of the thumb, and it's kind of difficult to do.​



General ergonomics.

I found the light fairly comfortable, however I find the clip sticks up too far, I wish it sat closer to the light, and flatter... it protrudes from the light too far and causes it to be uncomfortable... The tailcap also constitutes much of the grip when used in most techniques, and has NO texture at all... with dry hands I find the light slipping in my hand slightly, and forcing me to tighten my grip, which in turn my hurt depending on the technique, as I drive the clip further into my hand... I'm curious to see how much I'd drop the light trying this with wet hands.


Light Output:

The light is bright... it puts out some serious light, and illuminates well... further testing of the illumination is yet to be determined... I'll be curious to try it tomorrow, as often lights over 100lumens tend to be TOO bright for using in room clearing situations, and I fear this light will be no exception.

The output is great, and it has a decent sized spot... I compared it visually to a P3D Q5 I have sitting here, and the output is noticeably brighter. The spot is slightly tighter as is to be expected with the larger reflector.. However the hotspot as well as the corona have much more light output.. I find this odd, since the output is supposed to be the same... I guess there is still an LED lottery even with Cree, and this shows it. The tint is slightly more purplish than the P3D Q5 I have, but again, output is definitely higher.


General first impression summary...

The light is built like a tank, it's heavy, it's thick, it's beefy.

There are ergonomic issues which prevent it from being easily used for it's intended purpose... most arising directly from the strange tail cap... Fenix apparently feels a tactical light needs the ability to tail stand, and doesn't have a clue about tactical lights... I don't have a tactical light that can tail stand, and it's for good reason, it interferes with the activation of the switch.

Don't take this review wrong I like Fenix lights, and find myself wanting more of them, just as I do with Surefire's and other lights... however I don't feel they've quite figured out how to try and compete directly with a company such as Surefire... The L1/L2T V2.0 with the forward clicky is a MUCH better tactical light than the T-1, in fact my dad (and fellow instructor) will be soon buying one, and I will probably be not too far behind as will other Fenix lights.

For the $76 the T-1 Costs, for a tactical light for the size, I would much rather spend my money on a similarly priced Surefire, Streamlight, or Pentagon Light, all offer a more usable tactical light (or several) for the price range, that will function with much less hassle.

Sorry to be any sort of a downer, I'm sure I will get flamed like mad... this is only my initial first impression from the stand point of the lights primary design and target market. I will have further impressions and perhaps my feelings will change after having a chance to try the light out with a real firearm, and in darker environments.

But as for now, this is my feeling on the functionality of the light as a tactical tool.

Conclusion:

For a general utility type light, I feel the output and quality of output is great for it's size... The closest I came for output was the ROP Lo, which did outperform, but it was the closest I came... the ROP low is however still a 2C sized maglite which is a good deal larger, and more difficult to carry. The T-1 has some great benefits for a longer range light in a small package... however based off the fact it is being marketed as a tactical light, I fear it fell a little short for it's intended market.

Stay tuned as more is sure to follow after tomorrows work out at the range!


Interesting side note:

I goofed around for a bit, and found the head of the T-1 threads onto the tailcap side of a Surefire G2 Body... it maybe something interesting to see an adapter made by Leef or someone else to put the T-1 Head onto a 6P or similar body, or perhaps even that of an E series
 
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Re: Fenix T-1 From a Tactical Perspective

Nice perspective.

I never thought about how to hold any lights with a firearm.
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 From a Tactical Perspective

Ok some outdoor beamshots for you all...

Images might better be viewed full size at the following url

Please disregard color rendition... I wasn't paying attention as it's cold, and was in a hurry and white balance was set to auto... therefore color of LED is not accurately reflected, only intensity and rendition of colors

First set taken at 20yards (ranged using Leupold Laser Rangefinder) all at ISO 400 on Canon D30 first image 1/8s second image 2 stops slower at 1/4s

Second set taken at 50yards (ranged with rangefinder) all ISO 400, same camera, 1/2s and 1s

Lights utilized:
Fenix T-1
Fenix P3D Q5
BlackHawk Gladius
Surefire G2LED
and Lithium Edition ROP Lo output Bulb with Stock Mag Reflector at tightest spot I could obtain.


Overview images
Larger images bellow

Lights in order Left to Right Top row: T1, P3D Q5, Gladius
Second Row: G2 LED, ROP Lo

20 yards 1/8 second


20 yards 1/4 second


50 yards 1/2 second


50 yards 1 second


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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

Willabbott,
Great perspective. Thank you also for the pictures. I will most likely still buy the T1, but for a shooting light, it would be nice if it was easier to use (for me) in the "Cigar" hold, which is what I often practice with.

Thanks again for the outdoor comparison shots as well.
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

Willabbott,
Great perspective. Thank you also for the pictures. I will most likely still buy the T1, but for a shooting light, it would be nice if it was easier to use (for me) in the "Cigar" hold, which is what I often practice with.

Thanks again for the outdoor comparison shots as well.

Thanks... and on that note... I hope no one takes this review the wrong way... I'm not trying to discourage anyone from buying the T-1, but for anyone looking at it for a tactical light, to know it's short comings as such ahead of time...

It appears to be an awesome light, and I look forward to playing with it more tomorrow. When I first saw it I was a bit disappointed, I was figuring it would be smaller, and even after seeing the tail crenelations hopeful it wouldn't be a problem. After some use, I really like the output, and the beam. I had originally bought an L1 for a backpacking light, for the insane runtime on a single cell.. but decided to carry it daily... after looking at the T-1 now... I'm beginning to think it might be a better woods light, with the simple high/low, and insane output...

I will likely eventually buy one myself, as I do like the light for it's output, simple modes, and robustness... however I don't see myself carrying it for a defensive light, I have too many other lights that work far better for such purposes
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

Interesting review and great pictures, thanks :)
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

Great work with the photos and fantastic review, Willabbott.

Perhaps Fenix would be willing to cook up a non-scalloped tailswitch. I hope they take a close look at your review.

While they're at it, a removable clip would be great too.
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

hopefully, for those who require such, a pure tactical tailcap will be in the offering soon as an inexpensive accessory, and eventually included (perhaps???) with the initial purchase. Fenix has released a tactical tailcap for another model light, IIRC.
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

Thanks Willabbot ,

interesting review and nice beamshots pictures.
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I agree with you, the Fenix T1 seems a general use flashlights rather than tactical, I have ordered one T1 but I think all clips should be removable and the tailcap design isn't sure tactical.

Liike Half-Watt has told, I hope will be avaiable a tactical tailcap.
 

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Thank you, Willabbott. Good work.

It shows that the P3D - with the L2T tailcap and some heatshrink - would be a more effective light for using with a handgun.
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

Thanks for all the comments guys, I do try my best...


Thank you, Willabbott. Good work.

It shows that the P3D - with the L2T tailcap and some heatshrink - would be a more effective light for using with a handgun.

Interesting thought on the tailcap cat.

Of course you'd run into the possible issue of accidentally switching modes... however I noticed the P3D seems to have a pretty short time frame before it reverts back to high on, you have to be fairly quick about the press to go from hi to strobe.

Interesting thought though, as I happen to have an L1T V2, L2T V2, and P3D Q5 all sitting here (all demo units from Foursevens for demos at our previous class) and I would like to keep the L1T and P3D though the tail cap wouldn't fit on the P3D, it does appear to use the same size switch, so it shouldn't be too hard to change out.

But I have to agree, I find the L1T V2.0, and L2T V2.0 (though the 2 is too long for my tastes) much better suited for tactical lights than the T-1...

I wouldn't take much to make the scallops a bit smaller on the T-1, and either modify or as many others would prefer, make the clip removable.


Something else I had wanted to try, since this light was intended to be abuse/torture tested was to strap this bad boy onto my AR-15 and run some rounds though it... unfortunately the design prevents mounting... I was unable to find any way (short of zip ties) to mount this to my rifle.. the tail cap is too large a diameter for 1" mounts, and the body is covered by the clip... to weapons mount it, the clip has to go.
 
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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

willAbbot,

Thank you!! you did a great review and it clearly shows that it is a good light but Fenix still have some more refining to do when stepping into the TACTICAL class. This is why Surefire is World class when it comes to ergonomics Specially in the Tactical class. just my .02cents
 

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Nice pics! And a great review :)
 

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With the "cigar" holding technique, I wonder if one could not jerry rig a kind of "thumb ring" with a protrusion in the direction faced by the thumb that can add leverage and extension to the force with which you are pushing the switch?

I think this scalloped type of back switch is in fashion right now, preserving the ability to tail stand yet making it somewhat easier to press the switch.

Lumapower changed the switch of its original XRE-CREE version of its M1 to one with open areas with the same purpose.

Probably if this were a big issue Fenix could make available an accessory just for the switch, to offer one that is more SF like, has a black non-GID switch, etc. Overall this whole issue should not be fundamental for the light, people will eventually likely have the choice of tailstand or pure tactical, whichever they prefer.
 

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Fenix still have some more refining to do when stepping into the TACTICAL class. This is why Surefire is World class when it comes to ergonomics Specially in the Tactical class. just my .02cents

wouldn't it be great if you could stuff T1 output into a SF 6P styled package?

I must agree on the ergonomics issues especially the three pronged tailcap switch. I share other people's sentiments here that a plain tailcap with a BLACK rubber switch boot would be nice, even as an aftermarket accessory.:sssh:
 

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I think we'll soon see the T-1 without the wire clip and without the three prongs on the tailswitch body.

I've got the L1Tv2 and it works great with a handgun if you don't need a searchlight. Nice size for the concealed carry crowd too.
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

Does surefire have a patent on that grip that appears on the Z2, G2Z, C2, etc, which i guess facilitates the "cigar" style?
I think fenix just need to get rid of the three prong thingies, and we have a clear winner or even just include it as a accesory, or even as a non-included accesory, black boot with regular tail cap as flashy says
... fenix, you guys hearing this?!
:popcorn:


Thanks for the review Willabbot, since im not likley to use a handgun anytime soon, ill get this instead of the much more expensive and lower runtime Sf C2


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Actually, Surefire does have a patent on that step down flashlight body design, including the rubber grip ring, I think. I looked at it on the U.S. Patent website. I'm not sure the exact features that would violate the patent, but most manufacturers seem to avoid anything too similar.
 

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Re: Fenix T-1 Review, From a Tactical Perspective w/Outdoor Beamshots Added

I think we'll soon see the T-1 without the wire clip and without the three prongs on the tailswitch body.

:laughing: I think so.
 
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