Bad Review for Romisen RC-T6

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I recieved one of these recently:
Romisen RC-T6 6*Cree Q4-WC 3-Mode 500-Lumen Mega LED Flashlight Gray (1-4*CR123A/18650)
Here is what I saw and know about it.

It is adverstised with three vendors, all have CPF connections, but they have conflicting specifications. Two state it has Q4 emitters, one says Q5. Output is questionable. Rated at 500 lumens or 1500 lumens or rated at 1500mAh. The XRE emitters whether Q4 or Q5 have a max of 1000 mA when run at Vf max. So 1500 mA makes little sense. Wonder what that figure really was suppose to represent.

I build LED mods and recently had to contemplate all of these factors. I built a 7X Q5 light with output @ 1600 lumens. T6 with 6x Q4 or Q5 could concievably be 1500 lumens. My light had $400 in parts just to build it. T-6 is under $50. link: 7-XRE Q5 Cree, 1600 lumen Scene Flood Light-DIY
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T-6 is very good looking and practicle in ergonomics. A forward side clicky is just right. It would be a good weapons light. The reflector is aluminum and well made. The electronics are on a long board under the switch, it looks like it runs high, med and low by running a constant output from 2,4 or 6 emitters.

BUT>>>

:caution: It was DOA out of the box. :caution:

The emitters are on a flat heat sync disk the size and thickness similiar to a Dollar coin. Each emitter is surrounded by an insulating material. They are glued with a ceramic epoxy. THE SYNC IS TOO SMALL FOR ANY MORE THAN RUNNING ONE EMITTER AND JUST FOR SHORT RUNS!!!! 6 cannot possibly work going full bore on the available power. I know how much heat the 7x Q5 makes, 110 degrees F in 12 minutes on a custom copper sync the size of a Mag D head. That is massive compared to this flimsy sync.
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I doubt they run this critter at full output, they can't it will overheat at TjMax @ 221 degrees. (thermal junction maximum) and then there should be some drop in output or LED death. The 1500 lumen output is wrong the 500 lumnen output listed by a vendor is likely correct but if 500 is all you are getting, why bother? 500 lumens is easily achieved with fewer LEDs and the P7s surpass that. Fewer LEDs are more efficient in energy use and heat output too.

Any time you use multiple emitters whether singly or under one lens like the P7 you have a flood type of beam. I had a similiar Romisen with 4 emitters and it was a good little light with a tight beam and brighter than R2s in the drip in modules. Handy and fit onto weapons readily.

Another defect of the light besides being DOA was the wiring, the wire is of poor quality. To remove the guts first you take off the bezel and reflector and free the sync. The head then can be unscrewed and the wiring will not rotate with the head. If you unscrew the head without doing that the wires will twist up. The 3 pairs of wires representing the 3 LED groups are soldered to the end of the electronic board and the multistrand wire easily breaks it is poor quality. Handling the wires lead to 4 of the wires breakign off at the solder joint junction.

One of the emitters did not align with the port in the reflector that was for it. Being that it is glued in place that was a manufacturing defect. It looks damage too.

The light looks great but design wise it just cannot work in a manner to be reasonable if it was not DOA.


Now what? :popcorn:
The head bell is about 50 mm in diameter. What I plan to do now that would be a better choice for a lot of light is to get a light with two 18650a, a head of about 50mm with a good heat sync design and have it in the P7. We learned from the MTE that certain resistors could be jumped in such a light and get a direct drive function and modes by the PWM.
P7 900 lumens MTE DX first impression I have done that on another P7s and the results was the LED was running at 3.2 Amps, higher than the OEM spec of 2.8 and the output was a very bright LED. Only my home made P7s put out more light.

So listen up...
:thumbsup: NEXT!
 
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Mine works great. The LEDs on mine are glued to a 1/4" thick chunk of aluminum that is pressed against a lip under it so the heatsinking is fine. I ran mine on full power with 4 RCR123 cells until the cells were discharged and it got warm, but not hot enough to cause any damage.
On my light, all 6 LEDs line up perfectly with the reflector, but only in one position. When you re-assemble the light, rotate the reflector around until all the LEDs line up exactly and it will drop right in. If you just drop the reflector down, not all the LEDs are lined up with the original hole they were in when they were glued down.
I have not built an integrating sphere yet, so don't know how much light this is really putting out, but in a ceiling bounce test, the light from my RC-T6 is stronger than the 60 Watt incandescent bulb in the ceiling fixture.
 
Is it just me or is running 4xCR123 cells together at that high of a current draw risky and asking for a battery fire?
 
Is it just me or is running 4xCR123 cells together at that high of a current draw risky and asking for a battery fire?

I used protected cells and I have some of AW's new IMR16340 cells on order just for this light. Right now I am running 2X18650 cells. Not quite as bright, but longer runtime.
 
... Rated at 500 lumens or 1500 lumens or rated at 1500mAh. The XRE emitters whether Q4 or Q5 have a max of 1000 mA when run at Vf max. So 1500 mA makes little sense. Wonder what that figure really was suppose to represent.

Did they really rate the light in mAh? That's funny :D

Maybe after 1.5 Amp-hours the LED's burn out, maybe that's what it means :D
 
I just happen to have my camera handy:grin2:

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Looking into the reflector.



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LEDs nicely aligned.



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Reflector removed, looking down at the LED assembly.



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Glass Lens and o-ring.



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Solid aluminum reflector.



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Nice, clean, anodized threads.This was glued and I destroyed the o-ring that went in here getting it apart. The things I do for you guys:ohgeez:



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Typical crappy wiring for these 'less expensive' lights. But it gets the job done.



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You see one black wire coming from the battery tube to the circuit board, then 6 colored wires from the circuit board to the LED assembly. That threaded ring on the right holds the circuit board in the battery tube.



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Looking down the battery tube. There are no components on that round circuit board. It just holds the positive battery spring in place.



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Here are all the guts pulled out. Left to right: Battery positive terminal board with spring, retaining sleeve, 3-way switch circuit board, retaining ring/nut, & LED assembly.


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This shows the wiring passing through the center of the LED assembly.



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Edge shot of the LED assembly and head. Note the silver ring in the head.



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Here's another shot of the LED assembly and head.



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Close up of the LED wiring.



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There is a very smoothly machined silver ring inside the head. The LED assembly is pressed against that ring. Heat is transferred via that pressure fit from the LED assembly into the head and body.



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Closeup of circuit board.



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Closeup of other side of circuit board.
 
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I originally posted this info in BessieBenny's Budget LED thread. I'll copy it over here.

To give some sense of how bright the RC-t6 really is, here are some of my other lights in comparison.

Romisen RC-c3 (CR123)= 4.3 Lux
Romisen RC-N3-Q5 (CR123)= 4.8 Lux
Kaidomain 4279 (18650) = 6.5 Lux
VB-16 (1X18650 or 2XCR123) = 10 Lux
Eastward YJXAQ5 = 10.4 Lux
Stock Mag LED (2XD) = 1.9 Lux
Malkoff Mag (3XC) = 11 Lux
Lumapower MRV Digital (18650) = 7 Lux, (2XCR123) = 10 Lux
Raidfire Spear (18650) = 13 Lux
EX10GD (CR123) high= 4.7 Lux @ 1.04A battery current.
Jet II IBS (CR123) high= 8.1 Lux @ 1.28A battery current.
EagleTac T10C (CR123) low= 2.9 Lux @ 180mA battery current.
EagleTac T10C (CR123) high= 12 Lux @ 1.8A battery current.
RC-T6 (2X18650) Low (2 LEDs) 16 Lux
RC-T6 (2X18650) Mid (4 LEDs) 28 Lux
RC-T6 (2X18650) High (6LEDs) 38 Lux
RC-T6 3XRCR123 cells- low=19.4, mid=38, high=55
RC-T6 4XRCR123 cells- low=18.3, mid=36, high=55
Battery current with 3 RCR123 cells is .5A, 1A, and 1.6A.
 
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Those are great pictures! That is exactly what I saw and it has the look of a good light but, DOA and my experince with 7 Q5s does not correlate to what we have here. I wish it did I really wanted that light to work as I had visions of them being mounted on some weapons. Maybe for a toy but not for the real business, no way those wires crumbled off my board.
 
Mine works great. The LEDs on mine are glued to a 1/4" thick chunk of aluminum that is pressed against a lip under it so the heatsinking is fine. I ran mine on full power with 4 RCR123 cells until the cells were discharged and it got warm, but not hot enough to cause any damage.
On my light, all 6 LEDs line up perfectly with the reflector, but only in one position. When you re-assemble the light, rotate the reflector around until all the LEDs line up exactly and it will drop right in. If you just drop the reflector down, not all the LEDs are lined up with the original hole they were in when they were glued down.
I have not built an integrating sphere yet, so don't know how much light this is really putting out, but in a ceiling bounce test, the light from my RC-T6 is stronger than the 60 Watt incandescent bulb in the ceiling fixture.
That almost makes me believe that the light I got had been monkeyed with before I got it and would explain the failures.
 
Mine works great. The LEDs on mine are glued to a 1/4" thick chunk of aluminum that is pressed against a lip under it so the heatsinking is fine. I ran mine on full power with 4 RCR123 cells until the cells were discharged and it got warm, but not hot enough to cause any damage.
On my light, all 6 LEDs line up perfectly with the reflector, but only in one position. When you re-assemble the light, rotate the reflector around until all the LEDs line up exactly and it will drop right in. If you just drop the reflector down, not all the LEDs are lined up with the original hole they were in when they were glued down.
I have not built an integrating sphere yet, so don't know how much light this is really putting out, but in a ceiling bounce test, the light from my RC-T6 is stronger than the 60 Watt incandescent bulb in the ceiling fixture.
Do you have anything that is a common LED or hot wire to compare with? I wonder what it is putting out. Like I posted if it is 500 lumens it is a waste of design and time. That many LED in Q4 can be up around 1200 lumens shaming a 5761 or such.
 
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Do you have anything that is a common LED or hot wire to compare with? I wonder what it is putting out. Like I posted if it is 500 lumens it is a waste of design and time. That many LED in Q4 can be up around 1200 lumens shaming a 5761 or such.

Check post 7 above. I compared the TC-R6 against a bunch of lights with ceiling bounce tests. Mine is very bright.
 
Check post 7 above. I compared the TC-R6 against a bunch of lights with ceiling bounce tests. Mine is very bright.
That is very good, I am not familiar with all of those, hopefully someone can hop in here and relate your works to lumens, maybe they know what the lumen ratings are.

LEDs for the most part push a larger percent of the light out front, not like a filament so the 65% rule does not apply to T-lumens. But for comparisons using the lumen ratings is a good comparison and very close to actual output I would think.

I would love to have someone compare to a known P7.
If it would beat the P7 it would be worth while and I would go another trial. I love the concept.
 
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Haven't got a P7 yet. Too many bad reports about pretty much every P7 I've seen. And I want a P7 that runs on 2X18650 with a side clicky, with 2 modes and absolutely no disco blinky modes. This RC-T6 would make a perfect host for what I want :D
 
That's nice, 3 regulated IC chips / inductance coils, 3 of everything which obviously means 2 led's are being shared by 1 circuit..

The good news is that if 1 IC dies, 4 LED's will continue to work :)
 
That's nice, 3 regulated IC chips / inductance coils, 3 of everything which obviously means 2 led's are being shared by 1 circuit..

The good news is that if 1 IC dies, 4 LED's will continue to work :)

Yes, the LEDs are wired in 3 pairs. Each pair is wired in series and has it's own driver.

I'd really like to mod this light to use one single driver to regulate the power to all the LEDs at once. Preferably wire all the LEDs in series and find a PWM driver with a simple UI.
Some day.....
 
Yes, the LEDs are wired in 3 pairs. Each pair is wired in series and has it's own driver.

I'd really like to mod this light to use one single driver to regulate the power to all the LEDs at once. Preferably wire all the LEDs in series and find a PWM driver with a simple UI.
Some day.....
there certainly is room to do that. Currently it is a boost circuit. The new Blue shark and remora can handle it. The 7x I built is on a blue shark. The problem is power supply, the shark will need 10+ volts. Vf is 21.0 volts. Whatever they have in it now is unique but not unlike the TM-800x3 wich usses 3 parallel circuits of One LED. Modamag had a mod for it that did what you propose and put all on one series circuit. The T6 appears to have three parallell circuits of 2 series LEDs. Now then those LEDs are 7.2 Vf total and the light with 18650s is 7.2 V battery. Not much of a boost easy to do for thermal management. On high each circuit has only 800mAh of power supply when using 2500 mAh 1850s. Using 123Acr is must be a buck circuit.
You could use the Blue Shark with 123Acr batteries easy. Look at it a the sandwhich shoppe. My Q5 light uses it and many mods of Led Zeppelin do too.
I have only one question and doubt remaining. How high is the lumen output and I doubt that sync can handle 6 XREs at an amp each. 500 lumen is reasonable for the physical size of the sync and body. If it was full power that entire head has less mass than the sink in my light which gets to 110 degrees in 10 minutes of high. That gorgeous T6 bugger is a companion for short run times. Compare it to the Romisen model with 4 emitters. That was practical and slightly brighter than an R2. The R2 is the brightest portable lighting solution out there with a single die at the moment (Osram has 6, P7 has 4).

BTW, led experimenter still has the tm-800x3. I am building one up with 3 C bin, J bin P7 stars, a PCB balanced pack made from 3 KD unprotected D lithiums and Batteryspace PCBs. It will modulate on the new beefier D2DIM PWN. The electronics, similar to the T6 come out and in goes a 5mm LED to glow the switch cap for GID find the light feature, a charging Jack, and more metal to be butt to the existing sync. The reflector is replaced with 3 McLux of some breed. In theory there is an hour on high at 2700 lumens. A 54mm UCL will be in the front. No blinky, a side switch and build on this pattern but with thee batteries and three emitters:
1.5 D P7, Modes, Charging Jack, Electronic GID & more

Again I will heed the experienced warnings of Britelumens and LED Zeppelin, the syncs cannot handle high on multi P7s for long.
 
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One thing that I don't get is, with these high power lights, shouldn't you start to worry if the body does NOT get hot? That'd mean heat is trapped inside and not transferred to the body?
 
A runtime graph would tell the story on the Romisen RC-T6. Looking at the heat sink it looks like there will be a huge drop off in output within a few minutes on high. The only lights that may be getting close to 200 lumens in the list are the EagleTac T10C which shows 12 lux, the Malkoff 3C at 11, and the Rapid Sphere at 13 lux. The Romisen at 55 lux on high could equate to maybe 900+ lumens at startup. Obviously, medium and low would not present the same problems, heat wise, and would still be very reasonably bright, over time, for the price of the light. Just my thoughts, and guesses.

Bill
 
I did a quick and dirty runtime test. Accidentally bumped the light near the end so the data kinda made a blip at 12:31. I'll redo this later.
I got 21 minutes from 4 AW rcr123 cells. Current draw at the start was 1.15A.


12:13 25.28Klux
12:14 23.68KLux
12:15 23.20Klux
12:16 22.88KLux
12:17 22.61KLux
12:18 22.39KLux
12:19 22.19KLux
12:20 22.02KLux
12:21 21.84KLux
12:22 21.69KLux
12:23 21.79KLux
12:24 21.65KLux
12:25 21.52KLux
12:26 21.40KLux
12:27 21.30KLux
12:28 21.21KLux
12:29 21.07KLux
12:30 20.94KLux
12:31 17.71KLux
12.32 18.05KLux
12.33 18.24KLux
12:34 18.40KLux
 
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