Can any one recommend a flashlight.

DKP

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I am new to the forum and I am looking for recommendations on what kind of flashlight to buy.
Since I have little experience with flashlights I have filled in the Flashlight Recommendation Checklist and hope some one can help me decide what kind of flashlight to buy.


1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
_X___I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____Less than $25.
____Less than $50.
____Less than $100.
_X___Less than $150.
____Less than $300.
____I have no limit.
____I'm flexible, tell we what you gotJ.
____Other, please specify ________


3) Format:

__X__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a dive light.
____I want a portable spotlight.


4) Flashlight-specific format/size:

____Keychain size.
____Every day carry small (2-4 inches).
____Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).
_X___Holster carry.
____Big enough to need its own travel caseJ.
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____N/A


5) Emitter/Light source:

____LED
____Incandescent
__X__HID


6) Manufacturer:

__X__I want to buy a light from a traditional mass producing manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would consider getting a light that is pieced together (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source). Under the right circumstances, this option can provide more options to the consumer to meet specific needs.


7) What battery type do you want to use?

____I intend to use alkaline batteries (AAA, AA, C, D) (disclaimer, while it does not preclude all choices, these are not recommended for many of today's most powerful lights)
__X__I intend to use rechargeable nickel chemistry (NiCad, NiMH, NiZn)
____I intend to use lithium primary batteries (CR123, CR2, Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA)
____I intend to use rechargeable lithium (li-ion) chemistry. Feel free to specify a size if you know which size you want (14500, RCR123/16340, 17500, 17670, 18650, etc.)
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery. (Note: these choices may be very limited unless you are looking at spotlights)


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (0-10 lumens).
____I want to walk around an unlit rural area (50-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
__X__I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
_X___I walk ridiculous amounts of lumens (800+ lumens).


9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.

____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__X__30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I want maximum throw possible)


10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
__X__90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
__X__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (twist head to tighten, and the light will stay on until head is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
_X___I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

_X___A simple on-off is fine for me.
_X___I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Blinks to show location.)
____I want SOS mode.
____I want a beacon mode.
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
_X___Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (hard anodized) (this is the most common for today's flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
_X___Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
I'm brand new myself, but I just posted a similar question to yours and it seems as if we want something similar. Maybe this post will help.
 
I'd be checking out the reviews here and other review sites. This should help to give an idea of what's available. Pick a few you like and search for some owner comments. And don't hesitate to ask questions here about specific lights. CPFers are more than willing to give opinions.

Geoff
 
cant think of any quality HID flashlights for under $150. most are $300+.

but there are many quality LED lights that can easily put out over 600 lumens. you might have to use li-ion 18650s for best efficency. jetbeam has a few different models, catapult also comes to mind. fenix's tk40 and tk45 uses 8xAA nimh. all are around $150.

and check out wolf eye's line of hid lights.
 
Considering how difficult it is to meet all your requirements, this is pretty dang good and gets you within $80 of your budget while meeting nearly every other category.

Keep in mind, I'm not aware of a single commercially made HID that takes NiMH rechargeables.
 
I'm pretty sure you have requested a flashlight that doesn't really exist. I think you may be over estimating the amount of lumens you'll need if "30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)" is accurate. Unless of course you want complete daylight in that area, in which case, I still don't think there is such a beast.

Here's some tips for a refined "wish list"

1) $150 won't get you HID, and "critical" reliability makes the budget even more difficult.

2) 300 lumens will REALLY light up things at 30-50 yds, and will illuminate an entire football field good enough to identify animals, find paths, etc.

3) NiMH rechargeables are only commonly available in AA and AAA size, which aren't gonna cut it for a really bright light, unless you use millions of them in somewhat inconvenient holders (iTP Polestar A6, Fenix TK40 and TK45, etc)

4) Because of #3, you are likely gonna need to get into Li-ion rechargeables (17670 or 18650) in order to have sufficient power to get high lumen output for longer than 10 seconds. If this is the case, you'll need to budget another $30-$50 for charger and batteries.

5) Few lights can get to 300 lumens (let alone more) and run for 90-120 minutes, unless they are on the large side with multiple batteries or packing an 18650 Li-ion battery.

Some lights that might be the closest mixture of your criteria are...

18650 Options - EagleTac T20C2 MKII, O-light M20, M21, M30, Fenix TK11, and JetBeam offerings.

AA NiMH - P20A2, Quark AA2, Fenix LD20 (these are only about 200 lumens, but you might be surprised just how much light that is) iTP A6 Polestar and Fenix TK40, TK45 (these are ~600 lumens, but runtimes are short @ ~1 hr)

I'm sure more knowledgable folks will chime in, but you've set a pretty tough bar from what I understand.

I've seen these statements around here a couple times already...

"Bright, Small, Long Runtime...Pick two"
"Cheap, Durable, High performance...Pick two"
 
TK40/45 will get you almost all that you want (no 2 hours on high) in the led format. Don't forget an HID bulb costs a bomb to replace.

I've got a TK40 and hardly ever use it on turbo (630 lumens), simply because it is a whopping amount of light that has no real need in most lighting situations.

It does however impress friends and others who think a 2D light is bright.

If you want ni-mh chemistry, you can't go wrong with Fenix lights. They are strong, reliable and have a very good reputation.

8 batteries in no big deal either. Takes all of twenty seconds to load it correctly, and it absolutely loves to feed on eneloops.

It is a very versatile light and I use it more than any other light I own.
Except my EX10 SP which is my current EDC.
 
I can see that I have to adjust my specifications.
As regards to type of batteries I have no knowledge of the difference between alkaline, nickel or lithium so I used Wikipedia to try and find the best batteries.
I did the same with the emitter and from what I read at Wikipedia HID seamed the better choice.

The most important for me is that the flashlight is rechargeable at least 200 lumen, has a tail mounted switch and has a run time of at least 90 minutes.
 
I have a Fenix TK30 (the li-ion 18650 version of the TK40) and absolutely love it. It's a heck of a thrower for an LED light. I think it will impress your neighbors.

I take it most of the time (have to play with my many other lights some of the time) when walking the dogs at night. I live in a highly residential neighborhood, but lately coyotes have been coming down from the surrounding hills. I've spotted 2 in the last few months. I keep the light on them until they run out of sight - usually over a 100 yards away.
 
I can see that I have to adjust my specifications.
As regards to type of batteries I have no knowledge of the difference between alkaline, nickel or lithium so I used Wikipedia to try and find the best batteries.
I did the same with the emitter and from what I read at Wikipedia HID seamed the better choice.

The most important for me is that the flashlight is rechargeable at least 200 lumen, has a tail mounted switch and has a run time of at least 90 minutes.

Rechargeable it is!

Please elaborate on your specific needs, and willingness to use "alternative" battery technology. The following might help you clarify. For $150 you have several excellent choices fitting your criteria, but depending on your needs, you could also waste your cash on something wrong for you.

1) AA NiMH are widely available, "safe", and cheap. Chargers and batteries are available at any department store. If you buy "special" NiMH batteries with low self discharge, often labeled as "Pre-charged" (Eneloop, Duracell, and Rayovac are the most common) you can gain some of the benefits of other battery tech without losing the convenience. "Normal" NiMH batteries tend to self discharge rapidly, meaning they lose energy without being used, so they need to be maintained often.

2) Li-ion rechargeables (10440, 14500, 18650, etc) are only available online, and require purpose built chargers. A "safe" charger and 2-8 cells will run you between $20 and $60 depending on your needs. These are generally far better performers than an equivalently sized NiMH. Lighter weight, higher voltage, less self discharge, better cold performance, more energy density, and a variety of sizes to fit a particular application. Some folks consider them "dangerous", on par with sharp knives, stoves, and fireworks because they can produce hydrogen when improperly charged/discharged.

Obviously they can't be too deadly when used properly, as they are powering billions of laptops, cell phones, cordless tools, etc.

Anyway, some good, easy to come by, options that meet your criteria are the following.

AA NiMH - These will BARELY squeak into "90 minutes runtime"
4Sevens Quark - AA-2, ,Turbo, and Tactical - Bright, durable, clever user interface (UI). 200 lumens, but no more.

EagleTac P20A2 MKII Brighter than any other 2xAA, simple user interface (UI), durable, no really low mode, on the largish side for a 2xAA

Fenix LD20 Not the brightest (200 lumens though), great reputation, easy UI, and great efficiency.

18650 Li-ion - The battery king of the hill in terms of power to weight ratio. See 2) above for caveats.

EagleTac T20C2 MKII 300 OTF lumens, durable, easy UI (no low low mode), perfect ergos, 2+ hours runtime on max and 10+ hours on "damn bright".

Fenix "big lights" (TA and TK series capable of 18650) Same advantages as T20C2 above, but not as bright. Variety of UI choices.

JetBeam 18650 compatible Don't know all the details, but HIGHLY recommended around here for the most part.
 
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