D36 IMR Lamps Now Available

That's good to see. Originally they weren't planning on IMR lamps for the D36 lamps since there aren't any hosts with proper switches for the high current....

All that changed with their new Seraph :)

I am taking a real liking to the mini-turbo D36 standard, and LF really has done a great job on all of the D36 lamps I have tried so far. I wasn't expecting a major difference from the D26 line, but they have their own optimized bulbs and everything. If the IMR D36s follow suit they should be real solid performers.
 
The Seraph is what Mark suggested I consider but I was hoping that I might be able to utilise a 13 volt Rattlesnake which is on route to me - sounds like there is not a twisty switch option for this then?
 
these oviously don't work in a C surefire bezel........what surefire head do i need to for these to work?
 
Hi LIGHTSMAD,

The D36 standard is not used anywhere in the surefire lineup. The SF equivalent (in size roughly) is the Z46 head on the M3 but that uses a tower assembly rather than a fully-reflectored lamp assembly. The D36 reflector seems to be slightly larger diameter and of slightly different shape than the reflector in the M3 head...

Wolf Eyes and Pila were the only options out there that used the D36 reflector natively for as long as I can recall. Options for where those souped up D36 lamps from LF could go has been limited to the GL4 and M90 for quite some time. LF just came out with the D36 to SF "C" head adapter as part of their line of Seraph products. (The Seraph can play lego with many SF parts, compatibility varies depending on specific application).

The D36s have a larger outer spring than D26 lamps, and will not seat down into all SF compatible hosts and make contact perfectly. The Seraph host was specifically designed to address this problem in it's body/head design, but that isn't necessary in all cases. The D36 head seems to work fine on SF made bodies, but not on FM made bodies (internal anodizing on the business end of the head prevents contact). YMMV with other bodies.

-Eric
 
Hi LIGHTSMAD,

The D36 standard is not used anywhere in the surefire lineup. The SF equivalent (in size roughly) is the Z46 head on the M3 but that uses a tower assembly rather than a fully-reflectored lamp assembly. The D36 reflector seems to be slightly larger diameter and of slightly different shape than the reflector in the M3 head...

Wolf Eyes and Pila were the only options out there that used the D36 reflector natively for as long as I can recall. Options for where those souped up D36 lamps from LF could go has been limited to the GL4 and M90 for quite some time. LF just came out with the D36 to SF "C" head adapter as part of their line of Seraph products. (The Seraph can play lego with many SF parts, compatibility varies depending on specific application).

The D36s have a larger outer spring than D26 lamps, and will not seat down into all SF compatible hosts and make contact perfectly. The Seraph host was specifically designed to address this problem in it's body/head design, but that isn't necessary in all cases. The D36 head seems to work fine on SF made bodies, but not on FM made bodies (internal anodizing on the business end of the head prevents contact). YMMV with other bodies.

-Eric



Eric,
I have an extra M6 body and tail that I was thinking of getting the Sarah D36 bezel and run a D36 lamp. Do you think it will work?

I saw you mentioned it might not screw all the way down.

Thank you,
Jose
 
Hi Jose,

The D36 bezel screws onto SF "C" "head-threads," It will not work on an M6 body. If I have said anything to the contrary then I was mistaken... if you can find that error please point it out so I can go edit in a correction.

-Eric
 
Hi Jose,

The D36 bezel screws onto SF "C" "head-threads," It will not work on an M6 body. If I have said anything to the contrary then I was mistaken... if you can find that error please point it out so I can go edit in a correction.

-Eric


Cool, I just got the new 2C from fivemega P60 style. I went out last night for a 30 minute walk with the dog and it rocks.:twothumbs

Fivemega 2C hosts, 2 C li-on KD cells, and P91. At least I can put the D36 Sarah bezel on this Fivemega 2C hosts right?

Thanks again,
Jose

EDIT: I also have IMR C cells, but right now I am not ready to try the P91 with 2 IMR C cells.
 
I will be picking up the Rattlesnake in the morning, once I have paid the customs fees :(

Then I can look to order one of these 1,000 lumen D36 IMR lamps, as I now have a solution, which is a waterproof Wolf-Eyes tail cap. It will cost a bit for shipping but I sense that it will be worth it :)
 
I have known this for weeks that it will be coming... as I have a WE M90 with a twisty(!) LED-tailcap, this can't go wrong in my opinion.

I'll surely have a 1,000 Lumen LA but I need a long extender too! Where can I get one easily? I live in the Netherlands....

Then, I obviously need some IMR 18650s. When taken the maximum current of ordinary 18650s into account, these should be fine to power these lamps with a current draw of about 3 Amps.... but I assume it's the heat generated that plays a major role in their strong advise to take IMR batteries, right?


Timmo.
 
I have known this for weeks that it will be coming... as I have a WE M90 with a twisty(!) LED-tailcap, this can't go wrong in my opinion.

I'll surely have a 1,000 Lumen LA but I need a long extender too! Where can I get one easily? I live in the Netherlands....

Then, I obviously need some IMR 18650s. When taken the maximum current of ordinary 18650s into account, these should be fine to power these lamps with a current draw of about 3 Amps.... but I assume it's the heat generated that plays a major role in their strong advise to take IMR batteries, right?


Timmo.



Timmo,
IMR cells are the answer for most my applications. AW said his new AW 18650 2600mAh cells are IMR llike in that they can handle succesfully the 5A of current. I have not seen graphs or tests to prove or disprove this and judging by the quality of his IMR 18650 cells I assume the AW new 18650's will deliver.

I purchased 3 of those new AW 2600mAh 18650 cells, but they are longer than any 18650 I have and you may need magnets in some applications.

bigchelis
 
Hi Jose,

The Seraph D36 head may or may not work on the FM "C" host... While the adapter will screw on to the head of the host, the D36 lamp assembly might not be able to make proper electrical contact. I have not had much luck using FM 18mm "C-C" bodies with the D36 adapter for 2 reasons:
1. The inside of the business end of the body is anodized (non-conductive) less that ring of non-anodized bare aluminum at the base of the lamp pocket. The outer spring of a D36 lamp is larger in diameter and doesn't seat all the way down into the head... This side of the problem can be solved with the outer spring stolen from a D26 incan lamp from LF. The larger outer spring will work on most SF bodies- even though it doesn't seat all the way down it doesn't mater because the lamp spring "pocket" of the body is not anodized on an SF body and will make contact anywhere.
2. The center spring doesn't extend far enough down into the body of the light to make contact with the cells on a body that has a "lip" that prevents cells from "sliding forward" to meet the spring. On an SF body with 17mm diameter cells, the cells can move forward past the "lip" for the large spring contact, on bodies bored fro 18mm cells, the larger cells won't slip forward far enough to meet the spring. The Seraph host solved this issue by making the lamp pocket on the body shallower and the D26 heads deeper. This side of the issue could probably be solved in several ways- Like stretching the center spring (I've done this, it works, do at your own risk and make sure to support the base of the spring against the lamp assembly while pulling so as not to rip it out of the base of the lamp)... Alternatively, some sort of magnet (a few mm thick would do the trick I think) with an insulating washer around it could be installed up there above the top cell to complete the circuit...

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325addict,

LumensFactory makes recommendations for battery and lamp combinations and maximum continuous runs that are purposely on the conservative side to minimize liability and maximize safety for customers. Most companies do this in some fashion or another. We can come along after the fact, dissect the products and decide how we want to use them and make our own informed decisions.

For years now, 18650 size protected lithium cobalt cells have been used here on CPF to drive lamps like the WA1111 (~3.5A), 64250 (~3.5A), WA1185 (~3.3A), ROP high (over 4 amps!).

The maximum recommended operating/exposure temperature is ~140F for most 3.7V li-ion cells whether they are LiMn or LiCo chemistry. The LiMn (IMR) chemistry would have a margin of safety from it's naturally safe chemistry; if the user were expecting to use the light in a manner that could on some occasions cause more heat build up than ideal, that safety margin might be preferred...

I will say this... LF doesn't make a lamp (IMR line included) that cannot be used safely on quality protected 18650s :) Smaller cells like 18500s should be avoided for some of the lamps though. (Like the new IMR-9L and IMR-M3T).

The bulbs designs of the IMR lamps are optimized to handle the higher operating voltages that would be expected with IMR18650 cells. In my experience, a set of AW18650s looks just as bright to my eyes on the lighter duty lamps like the IMR-M3 and IMR-9. (there probably isn't enough difference to see). The noticeable difference in output kicks in on the higher current bulbs.... The IMR-13 would really be a toss-up. Make the decision based on what results you want from the light- IMR cells will deliver a flatter discharge, resulting in less noticeable decline in output through the discharge, but the total runtime probably won't be any better than 30 minutes. A set of AW 2600s would run for more like 45 minutes, but would have a more noticeable decline in output through the run.

I'm always amazed when I use my IMR18650s from Emoli on continuous runs in the M6 with higher powered lamps like the IMR-M3T/64250/MN21, I don't see hardly any difference through the run, then all of the sudden they "go-dead" and it's like a sudden drop-off in output sneaks up on you very fast.
 
mdocod, Do you think the Leef c-c bodies present the same contact problem when using the D36 Seraph head? I hope not, I ordered one yesterday
 
Hi pete7226,

I have no way of knowing as I have not seen a leef in person... I can almost guarantee that you will have center spring contact problems due to length, the outer spring will depend on whether the inside is anodized.


-Eric
 
Then I can look to order one of these 1,000 lumen D36 IMR lamps, as I now have a solution, which is a waterproof Wolf-Eyes tail cap. It will cost a bit for shipping but I sense that it will be worth it :)

What is the solution? Is the "water proof" tail cap any different from the stock one? Because the clicky will fry from use with IMR lamps.

I have known this for weeks that it will be coming... as I have a WE M90 with a twisty(!) LED-tailcap, this can't go wrong in my opinion.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I too thought that was the deal, and when I asked I was told that the twisty is even more fragile then the clicky tail cap:mecry: because in order to utilizes the LEDs there is a small circuit board in the tail cap which the current must flow through to either go into the incan lamp or the LEDs. This circuit board will likely be fried from the high current. In fact off of 3x 18650s using the 2.2 amp EO-13 bulb I swear I could see a difference in output between the two switches "the LED twisty having a lower output because of internal resistance:rant:" enough that I now only use the clicky.
 
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The waterproof twisty tail cap looks like this:

Tailcap.jpg
 
2. The center spring doesn't extend far enough down into the body of the light to make contact with the cells on a body that has a "lip" that prevents cells from "sliding forward" to meet the spring.
I am using my D36 head on a FM body (18500 + 102mm ext = 3x18500). I had to file down the "lip" you mentioned so that the cells can reach the spring with the help of spacer magnets. Works quite nice for two weeks now :thumbsup: and now I´ll get this 1000 lumens D36 LA with IMR cells to amp up the volume a bit :D

Eric
 
Well I am really pleased with the 13v Rattlesnake and think that I will like it even more when the 1,000 lumen IMR lamp and the twisty tail cap arrive about a week from now :D
 
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