Fenix L0D Q4 LiIon flickering scope shots

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I was preparing a comparison measurement of current-draw and current-pulseform of some AAA-powered lights when I took the following scope shots of my Fenix L0D Q4
running on 3.6V LiIon.

My test setup with all the lights I wanted to compare:
photobr9.jpg

The 10 milliohm shunt used as current sensor is beneath the circuit board.


In medium (primary) mode with no visible flickering:
lodliionmed10msri6.gif

10ms/div, blue: current, red battery voltage.
A periodic row of identical looking current pulses and very short spikes.
The battery voltage drops from 3.75V to below 3.5V during each current pulse.
The thick lines during the current pulse indicate that there is a boost converter running at a very high frequency.


In high mode (no PWM) at higher time resolution (20 microseconds/div):
lodliionhighbd7.gif

The boost converter is constantly working. The battery voltage is well below the forward voltage of the LED.


In low mode with the light showing a distracting flickering:
lodliionlow10msvx1.gif

There are small irregularities at the beginning of some of the pulses.


Zooming in to have a closer look at the pulses 6 to 9 in the above scope shot:

p06lodliionlowfs9.gif

Pulse 6 has nearly the same shape as when the light is running on a NiMH battery.

p07lodliionlowjx4.gif

Pulse 7 has a remarkable leading edge. It looks as if the LED is direcly driven for a short period before the boost converter starts working.

p08lodliionloweo5.gif

Pulse 8 again has 'normal' shape.

p09lodliionlowjz7.gif

Pulse 9 looks like pulse 7, only the initial part where the LED is directly driven is longer.


Setting the scope to a higher time resolution I took some more shots of the leading part of some pulses:

p11lodliionlowjw4.gif

Nearly normal

p12lodliionlowtc3.gif

Short direct drive period

p13lodliionlowva0.gif

More than 60 microseconds of direct drive


If it is really an irregular period of direct drive that is causing the flickering then the flickering should be dependent on the Vf of the LED, the temperature of the LED, the impedance and the charge state of the battery.
This would explain why the flickering is somtimes only visible in low mode, at other times in medium mode or in both modes and why it can appear or disappear after changing batteries.
 
Wow lots of work!

Take a look at this thread asking if anyone killed their L0D-CE using 10440's. Starting on about page 5, people start to ask if anybody else has a light that flickers. Many responses assume the person asking the question is unfamiliar with PWM flicker. Nobody could make that mistake looking at your post.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=161778

My L0D-Q4 also has this same erratic flicker when using 10440's that is not visible using NiMH or Alkaline. Not a PWM flicker that is always visible on medium or low if you point it at say a fan in operation. As you say it's as though the LED randomly goes into direct drive for very brief periods. Well Fenix never actually said the L0D-CE works with Li-Ion.
 
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