HID car lights.

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I've always liked HID and LED over incan tech. Anyways I drive a 09 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS and it uses separate reflectors for low's and hi's.
Any idea if HID's can be installed. Assuming that the arc length is close to the filament length and placement, they should work with the same focus. I'm not big into the in's and out's of car lights, but they do make drop in HID's that SHOULD be fitted for the automotive hookup, right? So with 4 ballasts I should be able to get a fully retrofitted HID system excluding blinkers tails and fog and reverse.
 
The current lighting system should give you plenty of light for driving at night considering the late model vehicle you have acquired. I believe car manufacturers generally design and build their cars to meet specific safety standards and delivering too much illumination blinds the opposing traffic. If you are finding the current lighting system still inadequate better to drop the speed a few mph at night, improve fuel mileage and heighten safety. :thumbsup:



Karl
 
karl, the lights, kick some serious but I'm just a dork for HID. I doubt I'd get around to doing it for cost and lack of decent improvement, but I was curious about the theory.
 
The issue is that the light is focused poorly with a reflector.

It's designed for a dimmer halogen bulb, so it throws all the light directly in front of the car, as a "hotspot".

When you drop in a bulb thats three times as bright, the "hotspot" in front of the car becomes unnecessarily bright, but the width and distance of the beam does not improve at all.

If you've driven a car with HIDs in projectors, you'll notice that the intensity isn't the only improvement - the beam is much wider, and goes much further.
 
I drive an old "clunker" with some rather dated "illumination"--I have to quote since I might do better with candles it seems! :ohgeez: I probably could use some upgrade myself!:) I probably should spend some $ on a new car vs. collecting some more lights!



Karl
 
If you've driven a car with HIDs in projectors, you'll notice that the intensity isn't the only improvement - the beam is much wider, and goes much further.
That's really a feature of any projector headlight unit... I've got a set of OEM halogen projector fog lights on my car, which have that wide, flat beam pattern you're describing. Similarly, my mom's '05 Subaru Outback has halogen projector low beams that also provide that wide beam with a sharp cutoff line.

The distance the headlights throw light is a product of the reflector/projector assembly's light intensity pattern and the total amount of light emitted by the source.
In a projector assembly, you want the light pattern to be brightest right at the edge of the cutoff line, with a exponential decrease in intensity as you angle downwards. This is because the edge of the cutoff will be the furthest point from the vehicle that the headlights will be able to illuminate, and therefor will need the greatest portion of the available light to reach and illuminate properly. As you angle downward, the headlight will be lighting areas closer and closer to the vehicle, so the beam pattern should get progressively weaker.
This is actually an issue my fog lights suffer from - the designers made the beam pattern emit an almost perfectly even flood of light, constant in intensity right up to the cutoff shield. In use, that means the area immediately in front and to the sides of the car is brightly illuminated, with very little light thrown down the road.

Anyway, back to the other half of my product statement, the emitter. HIDs obviously have an advantage in raw lumens, but unfortunately can't be simply swapped in place of halogen bulbs. The problem arises thanks to the shape and intensity pattern of the light emitter.
A halogen bulb has an essentially cylindrical light emitter - a coiled, and re-coiled length of tungsten wire. The wire is constant in diameter over it's length, so glows at a very even intensity over the entirety of the emitter.
An HID bulb on the other hand, has an oval-shaped light emitter. Light is generated when high voltage is passed through a capsule of gas via electrodes at each end of the capsule. The interior of the capsule is larger than the electrodes, so the current flow that forms the arc can (and does) spread out once it has left the electrodes, yielding the oval shape. Further, this spreading of the current causes a significant variation in light intensity across the arc. The arc is brightest at the ends of the oval where the current flow is greatest (around the contacts) and dimmer in the middle where the arc spreads out.

These differences are a problem due to the way reflector headlight beam patterns are commonly composed - by layering up multiple "images" of the filament. A beam pattern that is sharp and well controlled with a halogen filament's even rectangular profile can be come blurred and scattered with the varied, oval profile of an HID retrofit.
 
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I drive an old "clunker" with some rather dated "illumination"--I have to quote since I might do better with candles it seems! :ohgeez: I probably could use some upgrade myself!:) I probably should spend some $ on a new car vs. collecting some more lights!
You could always use this to restore your headlights to their former glory (assuming they're plastic).
 
It's a violation of the law to modify your headlights like that.

As noted above, the headlights are designed to shine the beam in a specific pattern. If you look at it from above, the left light shines straight ahead and to the right. Same for the right headlight. This is so you don't blind oncomming drivers.

If you bring a vehicle to the US from the UK, one of the first things you have to do is swap out the headlights...because they are aimed the other way....

If you look at most of the aftermarket lights, the box will usually say "For off road use only".

As a general rule of thumb (Thumb has a lot of rules), you can't modify ANY of the lights on your car. All those cars out there with blue lights or clear lenses? Won't be long before they get a ticket.
 
Yup, you're getting solid advice here - don't do it. "HID kits" in halogen-bulb headlamps do not work safely or effectively, which is why they are illegal. See here.
 
halogen reflectors put light all over the place, but since it's halogen, its not enough light to be of any bother if it is going in the wrong place, since the main focus is still where it is supposed to be. When you switch the light source to HID, the hotspot gets way more intense, but so does everything else. the result is uncomfortable "dazzling" glare for oncoming drivers. unless you have projectors, I'd recommend avoiding a kit until you see beamshots from someone with the same car with HID kit.

If you are planning on doing a retrofit (which I highly recommend), look into using s2000, sc430, TSX, or LS430 (if they fit) projectors. there are many more out there, but these are the ones that I personally like.

Keep in mind, though, that technically all these mods, be they drop in kits or thoroughly executed retrofit, are illegal.
 
Sometimes is luck of the draw. It turns out that the new body style Chevy Silverado 2500 HD (07.7 and up) headlight modules accept HID retrofits with little, if any negative effects. I frequent a Chevy diesel truck forum. Lots of members doing HID mods and pretty much none or near none are reporting flashes, rude jesters etc from either oncoming or traffic in front of them. I, myself have not had any negative communication from in-front or oncoming drivers. If I shone my lights on a flat garage door, the vertical light cut-off is very, very pronounced and they are relatively low. For all but the very smallest of cars, when I pull up behind someone, no light enters the cabin. It typically ends a few inches below the rear deck lid.

Yes, yes, I know that technically, it's illegal. So is crossing the street midway if not specifically permitted and posted so. So how many of you walk to the nearest corner to cross every time? How many iinfractions do all of us commit every day?

Risk versus reward, I guess.
 
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As much as I hate people that have **** poorly aimed headlights and overly bright headlights. That thread is pathetic.

My simple question was: Is it possible for a well designed reflector even if made for halogens be used for HID's?

I think with a little tweaking the bulb can be put in in such a way that a nice beam with good cutt off can be achieved.

Edit: BVH beat me with a great post.
 
well jeez, its obviously possible. HID kits come in all sizes for halogen reflectors. if you search on ebay for HID, all you get is results for HID kits that fit in halogen reflectors. Perhaps I misunderstood the question. I still think the answer is to wait for someone with your same car to post beam shots (or try it out yourself if you have the 80 bucks to spend)
 
Don't even know why I'm posting this but tell me why this isn't just this thread all over again BAN HID headlights, FINE users, JAIL converters! - Page 3 - CandlePowerForums ?
I seems to be fairly conclusive that HID bulbs cannot be made to work in anything other than other than a light assembly specifically designed to be HID.

If you are replacing the complete assembly no problem, if you plan on just replacing the bulbs it doesn't seem that it can be made to work correctly.

If I misunderstood the question I apologise for being none too bright.
Norm
 
well jeez, its obviously possible. HID kits come in all sizes for halogen reflectors. if you search on ebay for HID, all you get is results for HID kits that fit in halogen reflectors. Perhaps I misunderstood the question. I still think the answer is to wait for someone with your same car to post beam shots (or try it out yourself if you have the 80 bucks to spend)
Yes, they physically fit. Yes, they make a lot more light than an incandescent bulb. No one is disagreeing with you on those points.

What everyone is trying to tell you is that, with one of these illegal "upgrades" that you are now blinding everyone else around you with your headlights. Can they be made to work like the stock headlights but brighter without blinding everyone else? More than likely not.
 
A friend has "upgraded" with an ebay kit and the output is atrocious his car throws light all over the place.
Looking at the car head on isn't nice, lots of glare I'm sure he must get flashed constantly.

Seems to be a slight sense of dejavu about this thread :poke:
Norm
 
I think in the vast numbers of vehicles out there on the market, HID conversion is going to do all the nasty things mentioned here. However, there are a few exceptions.
 
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