Sinjz said:
As for Goran's comment about 'only them who have to fear to be nuked', it's dumb. I guess he wants everybody to have nukes.
I would like no one to have nukes, especially not them. Feel much better with the present situation than with the nukes in the hands of individuals of questionable sanity
But don't forget that the USA has the biggest arsenal and is the only country that ever used them (with a good reason or not) but is at the same time the one that is the most concerned with others having nuclear weapons and that is frankly a fact that is sooner or later taken out not without a good dose of cynicism in a almost every topic I ever have seen on forums (non in US of course) about that.
I hope Iran will newer develop nuclear weapons though you could have the same concerns with China or N.Korea and they already have them. But the Iranians would think - "they have them but are treating and pushing us not to have them" What would you think if you were Iranian? You would think that the superpowers (or the nuclear powers) just don't want others in this team, especially if not on the same "side".
And having such tense relationships with someone much more powerful you would try to develop something like that feeling that it would be sort of an insurance from possible war treats.
So yes I think some Muslim countries and organizations are a treat, yes I think they should not develop this but also can understand them and you can not expect much sympathy when making so much pressure (even if it is needed) nor will this ever finish the conflicts nor can it go on forever. It can be either a "cool down" or a war. More treats they feel more reasons they have to develop the arsenal.
War is not an option I think with the present situation as Iraq is too unstable to be a secure base for something I suppose much more difficult than the Iraq campaign, the Iran itself would be more compact and united (especially in a war time) and as Muslim countries would not help letting the planes fly over or bases be established in their territory for this and with Iraq not secure that would be too difficult to sustain and even if going into that the pressure on the establishment after some time as costs (in money and human lives) go to high would be too much to handle with any propaganda..
So I don't see at the moment how the nuclear program can be stopped from the outside, the only way is that they decide that it is not needed. That won't happen so.. But who knows what the future holds
You fear the perspective of them developing the nuclear weapons, but they have a potential enemy (that was mentioning the war option more than once lately) that has the most advanced (nuclear)weapons at the moment, so what do you find so dumb in what I said?
Even if Iranians are the devils themselves from their perspective they must feel much more afraid than you do so naturally they are trying to develop their military potential.
End be sure I'm not to fond of Muslims, we even had a suicidal bomb attack where I lived after the arrest of a prominent Muslim leader, the Bosnia is near and it is almost certain there are a lot of (mostly imported) fanatics that used the war to establish them selves in the most western Muslim cuntry that will give them easy aces to Europe.. Besides that arrest we war at war with their Muslim hosts and themselves so they could be a treat and USA are all the opposite. I hope they will not gain strength, just trying to look from their perspective (besides linking Iran to this extremists is at least questionable) and not get in the emotional blinding state of mind. Take the word from someone that has seen his country in a very bloody war some years ago, this will do no good to anyone.
This is sooooooo off topic
Politcally motivated? You seem to be the only one.
Hmm maybe it is so and I'm not aware of that.Reading the above you must be right. :huh: Though I think it is more that just tend to overanalyze things too much (and talk too much
)with everything, not just politics, and not taking sides or something. But that's me :shrug:
Anyway I'm just saying that it should not be mixed with the Katarina or tsunami or whatever similar thing and that this should not be used as a diplomatic weapon.
Your last post is dumb too.
Thank you
Stop trying to make simple things complex and confusing to people.
I'm sorry if it is so complex to you and if that is hurting your feelings, it was not my intention just saying what I think.
I suppose it is much easier to say this are the bad guys, this are the good guys and the life is so simple...
It's just that everyone thinks he is the good guy
We are the good ones (of course) and those with us are good ones (of course), but the other ones are beeed (of course). So let's make some black and white lists and divisions so we will have something to fight about until some heads start to roll..And than we make the black lists look blacker and the wight wighter so we can have more heads to sacrifice for the cause...
Eventually when costs get to high and everyone is tired of death emotions calm down.
And than some new generations come, they forget what it is like and you have the history repeated again...
Bah that's like it always was.
"We are alone against the world, we are the victims and heroes, no one understands how good we are and everyone hate us without a reason" a very ego flattering attitude for sure though not a very realistic one but very often to be seen especially in people who are the main characters when there is a fight or a trouble around
Now let's find some enemies, let's quarrel upon who likes us and who does not, lets open topics about Katrina that is full of "I know they don't like us" attitude, and don't even pay attention to the posts that are proving it is not so, if we have no enemies we will find them, life is so boring without them, isn't it?
This topic was started with such a presumption and negative attitude that I would not expect on a specialized forum...
And what do you want? All of us (non U.S. members) to get on our knees and based on your presumptions and ignoring the facts start a "mea culpa" self flogging ritual when we become aware how bad we are and how good the States are always helping everyone? Cam on.
The US did not ask for anything before it helped after the Earthquakes in Iran. You're talking out your *** on this topic.
Good for US, bad for Iran.. Even more so if they had no problem accepting US help at the time as you said..
I said that was a stupid thing to do if Iran made such requests.
As well as stupid are some of the comments in the article discussed in the "World view of US response to Katrina" topic.
