Is there a Malkoff for the surefire E1E or E2E?

[Grog]

Just wondering if there is a Malkoff drop in for the surefire E1E or E2E, think a E1E would be a good light with a good LED in there.

 

[Mdinana]

I don't think you can take the head apart. But don't sweat it... the new LED heads fit the older E series incan's. I upgraded my E1Outdoorsman, and now it's been on the same battery for about 6 months. MUCH better than every few weeks.

 

[Grog]

I don't think you can take the head apart. But don't sweat it... the new LED heads fit the older E series incan's. I upgraded my E1Outdoorsman, and now it's been on the same battery for about 6 months. MUCH better than every few weeks.

What "new LED heads"? Specs? Price? etc......

I'm looking for something small and bright with just a simple switch without gimmicks that many lights have (reverse clicky, strobe, etc). I'm not worried about long runtime either as long as it's capable of some serious brightness since it will not be a primary light most times.

 

[mudman cj]

Does it have to be LED? The new Lumens Factory IMR-E2 will give 350 bulb lumens x 0.65 = 227.5 torch lumens (closer to Surefire ratings).

Depending on how bright you want it to be, you may just be happy with one of the Surefire KX heads (KX1 uses 1 cell, KX2 uses two cells) using a Cree XR-E LED. To go brighter than that you would have to get a modded head such as a KL4 with an MC-E. That could be used with a single or two cell body with a few battery configuration options. The beam patterns are very different also. The KX series have much more of a defined hotspot than the KL4 (stock or modded).

 

[Grog]

This is for personal defense and duty use, not needing another high priced toy. I just need a simple light with extreme reliability.

I've not been on CPF often because it seems there is not much discussion about a light that does not involve modding it to hell and back where some of us just need a light to work without issues.

 

[sappyg]

This is for personal defense and duty use, not needing another high priced toy. I just need a simple light with extreme reliability.

I've not been on CPF often because it seems there is not much discussion about a light that does not involve modding it to hell and back where some of us just need a light to work without issues.

i don't think it is worth thrying to make an e1, e2e something that it is not. if these lights are not suited to your purpose then don't throw good money after bad.
if you like the form factor of the SF e series and your goal in duty and self defense then take a hard look at the SF e2dl. this is not a high priced toy, though it may be expensive, and very reliable. this thing rocks.
odd that you ask about modding a light but you don't come to CPF often because you not interested in modding a light. maybe you could try a search on self defense flashlights for more insight?

 

[Grog]

odd that you ask about modding a light but you don't come to CPF often because you not interested in modding a light. maybe you could try a search on self defense flashlights for more insight?

Using a quality and proven drop in like what Malkoff builds is not really "modding" since it's as simple as changing a set of batteries.


I just looked up the E2DL, what's with the head and butt-end? Is that like tail fins? Mmm, the E1B looks pretty good, just wish it were brighter..... Oh well, thanks anyway guys....... I guess I'll try to find something sutable.

 

[TMedina]

There isn't a drop-in for the stock, sealed SF LED module.

That said, you can get an adapter to fit a SF C/G/P/Z head to an E series body, allowing you to power an M30 or M60.

Supreme Co from Taiwan makes on - I've never done business with them, although they do respond to emails. The last time I looked, their shopping cart was down.

Also, TNC Products makes an E2C adapter - at last report, they were expecting some more in around this time.

Check out the SF "Lego" thread for more ideas.

-Trevor

 

[Grog]

There isn't a drop-in for the stock, sealed SF LED module.

That said, you can get an adapter to fit a SF C/G/P/Z head to an E series body, allowing you to power an M30 or M60.

Supreme Co from Taiwan makes on - I've never done business with them, although they do respond to emails. The last time I looked, their shopping cart was down.

Also, TNC Products makes an E2C adapter - at last report, they were expecting some more in around this time.

Check out the SF "Lego" thread for more ideas.

-Trevor

Thanks, very helpful

 

[Mdinana]

"new" as in "not a bulb." Surefire has been making LED heads for a while.

The KX1 and 2, in other words. Links? go to the surefire page. I don't know about the aftermarket heads.

 

[flip]

Check out the TLS led heads at Optics HQ. I have 2 or them(1 cell and 2 cell models) and I am very pleased with them.

 

[Norm]

I know they're no longer available but I can't believe poor old Koala didn't get a mention. :shrug:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=186193

 

[Justin Case]

Grog,

As mentioned in Post #11, consider the OpticsHQ/TLS E2 conversion head. For your purpose, I would get the single mode model. The 2-mode (low/high) version requires serial tailcap button presses to cycle through the two modes, which IMO is unsat for a self-defense light. Also, I would get the E2 conversion head, not the E1 head. The E2 head works fine when driven by either one or two Li-ion cells. But the E1 can be driven only by one cell. Two cells will exceed the voltage rating for the head.

My main reservation is that my OpticsHQ head doesn't seem to be as well-sealed against the environment as I would like. It definitely is not o-ring sealed at the glass window.

You also could check the CPF Marketplace for a KL4 head for sale and use that. IMO, the KL4 head (the same head on the SF L4 flashlight) is better sealed than the OpticsHQ head. I every day pocket carry both and the OpticsHQ head is suffering from dust/debris infiltration into the head and onto the reflector. The KL4, in contrast, has stayed clean internally.

 

[DHart]

Justin... are you using one or two cells to power your KL4 EDC?

Do you know if the KL4 head can handle the current from two rechargeables? Considering running one with two AW RCR123A's = potentially 8.4v combined.

 

[mudman cj]

The KL4 cannot handle two rechargeables. The KL1 heads can though.

 

[Justin Case]

Justin... are you using one or two cells to power your KL4 EDC?

Do you know if the KL4 head can handle the current from two rechargeables? Considering running one with two AW RCR123A's = potentially 8.4v combined.

I am using a single 3.7V lithium to power the KL4. You can use one 16340 in an E1 single cell body or a 17670 in the L4 body (assuming you have an L4 that can fit these cells -- my old L4 can do so). I have briefly run the KL4 on two 16340 cells (I don't recall the state of charge for the cells) and the head survived. But the claim is that this is not advisable. You risk smoking the LED. I did it by accident.

The OpticsHQ/TLS E2 upgrade head can run on one or two Li-ions. Suppposedly, the current version of the head is better sealed against the environment, although I have no experience with the new version to verify this claim.

 

[DHart]

Thanks for the info.

Justin... aside from the dust getting into the TLS, do you feel it's a good alternative to the KL4? I like that it can be used with single or double 3.7v rechargeables. And can you easily get into the TLS head to clean the dust out?

I'm looking for a bright LED head for a single cell E-body - and ability to use single cell AW rechargeable (potentially 4.2v MAX) is important to me. I guess it comes down to just two... the TLS head and a KL4 head, right? Don't need a long spot throw, would prefer nice soft hot spot with good spill for general area illumination. Which would you go for?

 

[DHart]

Hey Justin... I love the TLS (bought on your recommendation)! Now I want another LED head to fit E- series... how do you like the KL4? As much as the TLS head? How would you compare the two? I know I love the TLS head, but considering adding a KL4 head as well.

Thanks for your guidance and encouragement on this!

 

[ugrey]

Grog, Get a single mode TLS head from Optics HQ or get a SureFire KX2C head for 120 lumens. I have both and I carry both. The SureFire head has a little better beam but the TLS is about the same brightness. The TLS is just a little larger. Buy the KX2C from Optics HQ and tell them you are a CPF member for a discount.

It looks like you joined here in 2001. That makes you a real old timer.

 

[DHart]

Mike at OpticsHQ tells me the single stage TLS head will probably not continue to be made (I guess the two-stage is more popular?).

ugrey... sounds like between the two, you prefer the KX2c over the TLS? I'm looking for another head for my E1e and E2 bodies and already have the TLS (which I love).