I had a DX cree drop-in one of the old $14.00 ones if i remember wright it was around 80lm and had a tight hot spot and not much throw. the ssc is IMO much better built, brighter,more throw, with great regulation. My friend has a L2D-CE, we compared them and he even said my ssc was brighter. I have also compared it to my P61 and to me it looks brighter and has more throw. like i said the beam is more like a surefire LA but it has alot more side spill. I am also not sure what bin I have because there are two bin's listed on the DX website. my drop-in has a small reflective ring around the led that is not pictured on DX, if anyone gets one of these drop-in's please let me know if its on yours.