LED lanterns for in-house use, help?

CDI

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OK, guys, here's what I want to do. I have a large 12v jumpbox with cig lighter outputs that I use for emergency radio/cell phone power, and I would like to build/buy a couple of high-output LED light sources that I can run off of the jumpbox as emergency lighting for my living room. Does anyone offer an externally powered hi-output LED light that I could use 2 (maximum 3 units) of to light a 12x20' room to normal room lighting levels?

Can I mod a Coleman fluorescent lantern with a LED panel?

Looking for ideas.

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CDI
 
I wasn't able to locate any 12 volt laterns.....at least with pictures I mean. You could always use your jump box in conjuction with a power invertor to power any AC rechargeable LED lantern. Target sells the Vector brand 200w for $29. A good thing to have since you can utilize your car batteries if you ever had to.
 
I'd go with a power inverter too. I have a 100W self contained Vector I use myself with a anywhere from a 11W to 30W compact flourescent bulbs. A 25W CF bulb is equivalent to a 100W incan and run time would be a LOT better. On another note, I have a project in mind for a mini LED lantern using either a Lux V or a SSC P4. I'm planning on using a dimmable board with self contained power and optional 12V external power. One day I'll get to make this but for now it only exists as a concept in my wee little brain.LOL
 
Inverters are terribly inefficient, that's why I was looking for some direct-drive LEDs.
 
CDI said:
OK, guys, here's what I want to do. I have a large 12v jumpbox with cig lighter outputs ... I would like to build/buy a couple of high-output LED light sources that I can run ... as emergency lighting.
Not familiar with the word "jumpbox", but I have something similar to what you're describing. I gave mine integrated rather than separate lights. It has 120 V in for normal charging/standbye, and 12 V out and in, so you can recharge it off any car and run anything that will plug into a car. I gave mine a rotary switch and it goes to stronger and stronger lights as you turn the knob to the right. The lowest setting is an LED nightlight/find me light.

Does anyone offer an externally powered hi-output LED light that I could use 2 (maximum 3 units) of to light a 12x20' room to normal room lighting levels?
I would find it helpful if you could tell me what size incandescent bulb would light this area to your standard.

Can I mod a Coleman fluorescent lantern with a LED panel?
Yes you can. You would need to find out what voltage the tube is running at and substitute LEDs/Led strings that will run at that voltage. However the fluorescent tube should be quite efficient straight out of the box.
 
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Can you build the host yourself? I'd imagine something running a three Crees or SSCs at 350mA each pointed up at the ceiling would be very close to normal brightness. I've never done one, but a decent sized SLA battery and a regulator should be able to give you just that. Build the top out of a decent sized piece of aluminum or copper and that should take care of the heatsinking.
 
Wasn't there a thread of a person modding a 500W Halogen Torchier lamp to run on LEDs and DC?
I believe his used the hollow tubing to house D cells.
But as mentioned above....3-4 CREEs in series to run on 12-13.8VDC should be sufficiently bright. And you can wire it to run on a wall wart or booster during power outages.
 
I know that you are looking for LEDs, but Dewalt makes fluorescent drop light/lanterns for their rechargeables. I have the 18v one, and I am pretty sure they have a 12v one. Not sure if this helps.
 
Well, If you want maximum brightness without going with a propane solution, then you need to go with Fluorescent tubes. LED lanterns make great tent lights, but fluorescents are much better for in house use and even outdoors.
 
I have to agree with others that CFL is probably your best bet for this application. Find some 4-6 watt CFLs; unlike many LED projects, they are temperature stable for long periods of time. If you're lucky, you might find some with a more neutral CT (3500-4100k), not that the "small campfire" feel of the 2700k lamps is bad...
 
WNG said:
Wasn't there a thread of a person modding a 500W Halogen Torchier lamp to run on LEDs and DC?
I believe his used the hollow tubing to house D cells.
But as mentioned above....3-4 CREEs in series to run on 12-13.8VDC should be sufficiently bright. And you can wire it to run on a wall wart or booster during power outages.

That was me.
CREE Torchiere Lamp Mod

It has 4 crees now, running off a Fatman. Has a dimmer control in
the same location the original incandescent torchiere did, since the
Fatman is dimmable with an audio taper pot. (The D2DIM appears
to be the dimming circuit without the boost regulator, and is good for up to 16 volts input).

12 volts is the max for the Fatman, 13.8 would be pushing it, so
you should probably ask George about that.
 
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Ken_McE said:
Not familiar with the word "jumpbox", but I have something similar to what you're describing. I gave mine integrated rather than separate lights. It has 120 V in for normal charging/standbye, and 12 V out and in, so you can recharge it off any car and run anything that will plug into a car. I gave mine a rotary switch and it goes to stronger and stronger lights as you turn the knob to the right. The lowest setting is an LED nightlight/find me light.

I would find it helpful if you could tell me what size incandescent bulb would light this area to your standard.

Yes you can. You would need to find out what voltage the tube is running at and substitute LEDs/Led strings that will run at that voltage. However the fluorescent tube should be quite efficient straight out of the box.

I currently light the room with a 150w and a 75w incan at opposite ends. That's enough light for what I normally do in this room.

Is the dual fluorescent in the Coleman lantern really that power-efficient compared to a few LEDs? I'm going for maximum runtime for the light that I need.
 
BigusLightus said:
How about four Cree's in series? That should get closer to the 13+ volts that many sla's pump out. What is the actual voltage of your jump box?


12.8-13 at full charge.
 
CDI said:
I currently light the room with a 150w and a 75w incan at opposite ends. That's enough light for what I normally do in this room.

Is the dual fluorescent in the Coleman lantern really that power-efficient compared to a few LEDs? I'm going for maximum runtime for the light that I need.

Which Coleman Lantern? In general, the CFL Lanterns form Coleman in the 300-400 lumen ranges will have over a 12 hour run time. I think they are pretty efficient for the run time. The light below is about equivaletn to a 60 watt bulb in your house.

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5317-700&categoryid=1045 (400 Lumens)

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=4345-703&categoryid=1045 (440 Lumens)
 
Blacklight said:
Which Coleman Lantern? In general, the CFL Lanterns form Coleman in the 300-400 lumen ranges will have over a 12 hour run time. I think they are pretty efficient for the run time. The light below is about equivaletn to a 60 watt bulb in your house.

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5317-700&categoryid=1045 (400 Lumens)

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=4345-703&categoryid=1045 (440 Lumens)

It's neither one of those, it's one of the older ones that has the two straight tubes. I understand that they have a long run time, but I don't want to waste my entire power budget on one lamp, since I also power radio(s) off this jump box.
 
CDI said:
OK, guys, here's what I want to do. I have a large 12v jumpbox with cig lighter outputs that I use for emergency radio/cell phone power, and I would like to build/buy a couple of high-output LED light sources that I can run off of the jumpbox as emergency lighting for my living room.

I have a 9Ah jumpbox ( Black & Decker 12 Volt Jump Starter Model #: VEC010BD ). I use it for powering a portable spot. I want to get a battery charger (like the Maha MHC-9000) that can plug into the cig lighter output to recharge AA & AAA eneloops. I agree with Quickbeam, a user here, that low power headlamps are more helpful for emergency lighting. I have a few headlamps which will run a single 5mm LED for 5 or 6 days. The Princeton Tec Quad will run on low for 24 hrs regulated then 126 hrs of diminishing light.

-wjb
 
CDI said:
I currently light the room with a 150w and a 75w incan at opposite ends. That's enough light for what I normally do in this room.
A normal, un-fooled around with 150 watt incan. will produce 2,850 lumens, a 75 watt 1,200 lumens, so you're looking for around 4,000 lumens. A cool-white one-watt Luxeon should produce around 45 lumens, so you would need about ninety of them to equal your usual lighting. I haven't located a figure for lumens per white Superflux LED, (I think they're more efficient), but if they produce one lumen apiece you'd need about 4,000 of them to light the room to that standard. You can buy them mounted in batches on strips of circuit board.

If you are in a situation where power is in short supply, could you get by with less light?? How would you feel about a string of LED ropelights running around the edge of the ceiling for ambient light, and smaller task lights that you use as needed? There's a guy on eBay who sells 66 foot LED ropelights, one of them would do for your room. You'd want to write him and check on power consumption and lumen production.

Is the dual fluorescent in the Coleman lantern really that power-efficient compared to a few LEDs? I'm going for maximum runtime for the light that I need.
In order to compare, you need figures for lumens per watt. The luxeon I's are around 45 lumens/watt. I didn't see specs for the CFL bulbs, but you could write and ask.

E.L. products are very efficient, but you'd need an inverter to run them, and the inverter would be heck on your efficiency.
 
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