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Size15's
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'General purpose' is a bit vague... can you be any more specific - some example of where and when you need light?
For me, general purpose is between 10 and 60 lumens, however, I do like the option of having a high output as well - 100+ lumens which is why the SureFire L2 is ideal for me.
'General purpose' is a bit vague... can you be any more specific - some example of where and when you need light?
For me, general purpose is between 10 and 60 lumens, however, I do like the option of having a high output as well - 100+ lumens which is why the SureFire L2 is ideal for me.
Cheers for the reply ,
I do a lot of farm work in the evenings & some pest control , it gets a bit tyring carrying a million candle power lantern around for hours , so i thought id invest in a cree lamp . i know nothing about modern light's so please forgive me for my ignorance .
Prost
I do a lot of farm work in the evenings & some pest control , it gets a bit tyring carrying a million candle power lantern around for hours , so i thought id invest in a cree lamp . i know nothing about modern light's so please forgive me for my ignorance .
Prost
flashy bazook
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with modern LED flashlights, you should be able to get 70-80 lumens overall output easily. The flashlights themselves can be pretty small to get this, e.g., a 2xAA battery or a 2xCR123A battery size. Both can be had with rechargeable batteries to save money if you get the right flashlight.
I keep some data around for a few flashlights I like, and both the older versions of the Fenix L2D CE (a 2xAA battery tube) and the Lumapower M1 (a 2xCR123A battery tube) would do this and are very small, portable, and generally well made. Their LED's are CREE XRE's.
In fact new versions of both of these are just coming out with even bigger lumen outputs, the Fenix in a Rebel 100 LED, and the M1 (the new version to be called the M1-R) is not announced yet.
Some flashlights have a "turbo" mode with even higher lumen outputs, in case a temporary burst of a lot of light is necessary.
The newer lights coming out above (Rebel 100 for the L2D and whatever the M1-R will have) plus the turbo or high modes should get at 100 lumens or somewhat above. There is also a Fenix P3D Rebel 100 coming out which uses 2xCR123A batteries if you prefer that and don't need or want the 2xAA.
I keep some data around for a few flashlights I like, and both the older versions of the Fenix L2D CE (a 2xAA battery tube) and the Lumapower M1 (a 2xCR123A battery tube) would do this and are very small, portable, and generally well made. Their LED's are CREE XRE's.
In fact new versions of both of these are just coming out with even bigger lumen outputs, the Fenix in a Rebel 100 LED, and the M1 (the new version to be called the M1-R) is not announced yet.
Some flashlights have a "turbo" mode with even higher lumen outputs, in case a temporary burst of a lot of light is necessary.
The newer lights coming out above (Rebel 100 for the L2D and whatever the M1-R will have) plus the turbo or high modes should get at 100 lumens or somewhat above. There is also a Fenix P3D Rebel 100 coming out which uses 2xCR123A batteries if you prefer that and don't need or want the 2xAA.
get a Fenix (way better quality, costs more but still a very good offer) or one of these "5 mode lights" from www.dealextreme.com (search under "flashlighs", then "seoul" or "Cree" and get the one with the battery choice and look You like)
(Advise: there is a reason why DX lights are cheap)
That way You can always get the output or runtime You like.
These new (and good) led lights will blow You away, I promise
(I d go for a Fenix)
(Advise: there is a reason why DX lights are cheap)
That way You can always get the output or runtime You like.
These new (and good) led lights will blow You away, I promise
(I d go for a Fenix)
Are they what we call seconds or returns ? with slight defects ?
Gunner12
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Humm, hours of runtime, small enough to carry, used often, bright, the only thing missing is price range and how far the light needs to project.
Just to get you started, how about the WF-400 with two 18650 batteries and charger. $41.36 USD which is a little less then 21 pound. Or the VB-16 with 2 RCR123 and charger($37.50 USD, 19 pound) . The two lights should not throw as far or have more overall output as the "1million cp" lantern but they are smaller.
The reason why Dealextreme is cheap is because, IIRC, they don't have a warehouse, what come in goes out and nothing is kept for very long. Their products aren't the best quality(compared to other known company) but most lights above $20 are pretty good for the price. Some of their lights are total crap but others are built very well. Some of their lights can be used to hammer things and still work fine while others will literally break in your hand(depends on company and model of light and Luck of the draw).
On Dealextreme, Ultrafire, MTE, EastwardYJ are usually, for the price, pretty good with quality. I don't think Dealextreme sells returned or second hand lights. From what I have seen, Dealextreme sometimes contact their suppliers and tell them of what the customer want and improve their products. Lightreviews has reviewed some of Dealextreme's lights.
Also, most products on Dealextreme have copied something or another form another company, thus reducing R&D(and product) cost dramatically.
In short, most of Dealextreme's have the performance to compare with more expensive lights, but they lack the customer service and the quality of more expensive lights. For the price most are good tools.
Just to get you started, how about the WF-400 with two 18650 batteries and charger. $41.36 USD which is a little less then 21 pound. Or the VB-16 with 2 RCR123 and charger($37.50 USD, 19 pound) . The two lights should not throw as far or have more overall output as the "1million cp" lantern but they are smaller.
The reason why Dealextreme is cheap is because, IIRC, they don't have a warehouse, what come in goes out and nothing is kept for very long. Their products aren't the best quality(compared to other known company) but most lights above $20 are pretty good for the price. Some of their lights are total crap but others are built very well. Some of their lights can be used to hammer things and still work fine while others will literally break in your hand(depends on company and model of light and Luck of the draw).
On Dealextreme, Ultrafire, MTE, EastwardYJ are usually, for the price, pretty good with quality. I don't think Dealextreme sells returned or second hand lights. From what I have seen, Dealextreme sometimes contact their suppliers and tell them of what the customer want and improve their products. Lightreviews has reviewed some of Dealextreme's lights.
Also, most products on Dealextreme have copied something or another form another company, thus reducing R&D(and product) cost dramatically.
In short, most of Dealextreme's have the performance to compare with more expensive lights, but they lack the customer service and the quality of more expensive lights. For the price most are good tools.
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I will tell you something I have noticed about flashlight lumen ratings. A LOT of them are exaggerated and not all makers seem to measure it the same way. For example, I have a Rayovac Sportsman Extreme 2 AA light that they rate as 80 lumen. Somebody on this forum actually tested it with a light meter and it measured 45 or soemthing like that. Now, the light is bright, and one of my favorites, but not 80 lumens. I own a Surefire L5 which is rated at 100, which if you compare it to a lot of lights mentioned on this forum, it not the brightest light you can buy. However, it is just as bright as a Fenix light that I have that is rated as 160 max. I guess the only way to really compare them is to read the posts on this forum and see for yourself. What it boils down to is some manufacturers will over estimate the rating to sell a light. Others actually test their lights but their must not be a standard!
For that then I would suggest a incandesent light and not LED for colour rendition.
100 lumens should be sufficient. I would get a SureFire G3
http://batteryjunction.com/sug3nitafl4f.html
There is also this which will throw further and is brighter.
http://www.pts-flashlights.com/products/product.aspx?pid=1-20-41-6120
How much do you have to spend? What cells would you prefer to run on? AA or CR123A? the latter are more exspensive.
Lighthouse one
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You might consider the new Ray o Vac 4 watt- 3 c cell. Just starting to hit some stores. You can order it online...think I got the right link:http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=173383
Nitro
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To be honest very few LED's will illuminate objects well at 100 yards. The Tiablo or MRV have good throw and are bright, but the blue'ish light will not be the best for spotting animals.
I'd look at a Streamlight TL-3. It's an incan with ~200 Lumens and very good throw. Runtime is ~60 min with two 17500 batteries. It's also very compact and will fit in your front pocket, with two extra batteries for a total of ~2 hours of free runtime. I love mine for outdoor spotting.
I'd look at a Streamlight TL-3. It's an incan with ~200 Lumens and very good throw. Runtime is ~60 min with two 17500 batteries. It's also very compact and will fit in your front pocket, with two extra batteries for a total of ~2 hours of free runtime. I love mine for outdoor spotting.
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WadeF
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Yeah, 100 yards is going to be a bit tough for most of the LED's. I got an Ultrafire WF-500 and they can be found on DX for about $27. Then you need at least 2 18650 batteries and a charger. You should be able to get everything, and a couple spare bulbs, for around $60-70. With 500 lumens it's hard to beat for that price and it's size. 100 yards won't be a problem. 
Here is a shot of mine in action (close range):
Here is a shot of mine in action (close range):
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lightr07
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I would also recommend a Incan as opposed to an LED. I would say if your looking for a SureFire the G3 with a P91 High Output Lamp Assembly. Which will do 200 lumen's for 20 minutes (If you wanted a metal body then the 9P for 29.00 more would be a good choice) Get either some type of rechargeable battery's. If you wanted to get 120 (as 200 could be a little much in some cases) then a G2 with the KR1 Rechargeable conversion and P61 LA would work as well.
Prices:
G3 - 120 Lumens (P90 - Stock) - Rechargeable solution not included: 59.00
G3 - 200 Lumens (P91 - Upgrade) - Rechargeable solution not included = 86.00
G2 - 120 Lumens (P61 - Upgrade) + KR1 + P61 LA = 150.00 (Add 29.00 for the same lumens with the KR1 but a 6P which is metal as opposed to Nitrolon, A strong Polymer.)
(If you go the way of getting a two cell metal body light then a SF rechargeable system order a KR2, which is the same price as a KR1 but includes a metal battery adapter so you don't get Nitrolon / Aluminum mismatch.)
Prices:
G3 - 120 Lumens (P90 - Stock) - Rechargeable solution not included: 59.00
G3 - 200 Lumens (P91 - Upgrade) - Rechargeable solution not included = 86.00
G2 - 120 Lumens (P61 - Upgrade) + KR1 + P61 LA = 150.00 (Add 29.00 for the same lumens with the KR1 but a 6P which is metal as opposed to Nitrolon, A strong Polymer.)
(If you go the way of getting a two cell metal body light then a SF rechargeable system order a KR2, which is the same price as a KR1 but includes a metal battery adapter so you don't get Nitrolon / Aluminum mismatch.)
If your going to spend $150 on a G2 + KR1 you mite as well just get the 8NX. http://batteryjunction.com/su8nxcoreinf.html
Size15's
Flashaholic
I agree - I would get an 8NX over a G2+KR1 without hesitation.
That said, I have no need for a rechargeable flashlight so I wouldn't get either.
If I was interested in rechargeable flashlights I doubt either would make my shortlist.
G2R showing you the length increase from the G2 (it's quite a bit longer)
And with an 8NX (G2R, G2)
...I personally prefer the wider diameter of the 8NX compared to the G2/R.
Al
Steve Curtis
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Prost
you should have gone for my Surefire defender D3 with remote switch ,Cree head and incan head that I was selling on the airgunbbs.
its almost exactly what you need .
100 yards was a bit of push but 70 was fine with this setup.
I agree with everything that been said so far, LED isn't as good for airgun hunting as the colour is rather flat.
crossman do some mounts for 1inch tubes to 1 inch so they will easily mount on most scopes
It definitely sounds like you need more than one general purpose light. 100 yard illumination would fall under the special purpose catagory. If you like small lightweight lights the MRV might do ok at long range. For up close work the L2 is nice because of the wide flood of light. Or you might consider a headlamp like the PT Apex, so that your hands can remain free as you work. Here are some links:
http://batteryjunction.com/lumapower-mrv.html
http://batteryjunction.com/sul2lufll2.html
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2584
chakrawal
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Fenix P3D Rebel100. It has 4 mode 11,50,112 and 200 lumen plus sos and strobe.
DM51
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Prost, if you want this light for lamping foxes, I would not recommend any LED light — an incandescent one would be far better for this.
I recommend a Wolf Eyes 9AX Raider ($45). If you want to attach it to a rifle, get the 9HX model instead — for an extra $5 it comes with a pressure-pad tailcap switch you can fit to your rifle's fore-end, but you would need a normal tailcap too, for when it is not mounted on the rifle.
Mike at PTS (those 2 links) is a CPFer here and is helpful with individual requirements if you e-mail him. You should ask him to fit the Raider with a Lumens Factory EO-9 lamp assembly (LA) rather than the stock WE 9v one. The EO-9 will give you much better throw (for long-range work).
You can use this light either with 3 x CR123A Lithium primaries (UK source for box of 10 Panasonic for £11.50) or you can use 2 x AW Protected 18500 Li-Ion rechargeable cells which are $10 each. AW also sells a charger for $15 which is OK for these cells (but should not be used with unprotected Li-Ions).
I hope this helps — and welcome to CPF!
I recommend a Wolf Eyes 9AX Raider ($45). If you want to attach it to a rifle, get the 9HX model instead — for an extra $5 it comes with a pressure-pad tailcap switch you can fit to your rifle's fore-end, but you would need a normal tailcap too, for when it is not mounted on the rifle.
Mike at PTS (those 2 links) is a CPFer here and is helpful with individual requirements if you e-mail him. You should ask him to fit the Raider with a Lumens Factory EO-9 lamp assembly (LA) rather than the stock WE 9v one. The EO-9 will give you much better throw (for long-range work).
You can use this light either with 3 x CR123A Lithium primaries (UK source for box of 10 Panasonic for £11.50) or you can use 2 x AW Protected 18500 Li-Ion rechargeable cells which are $10 each. AW also sells a charger for $15 which is OK for these cells (but should not be used with unprotected Li-Ions).
I hope this helps — and welcome to CPF!
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