New Sony Fortelion

[LuxLuthor]

Anyone see these for sale yet? Has some uniquie benefits.

‹Main Features›

1. Power density: 1800W/kg (20A continuous discharge)

2. Long-life: more than 80% capacity retention after 2,000 charge-discharge cycles

3. Rapid charging: 99% charge completed in 30 minutes

3.2 V Nominal might allow them to charge with A123/LiFePO4 3.3V chargers.

 

[ptolemy]

Anyone see these for sale yet? Has some uniquie benefits.

3.2 V Nominal might allow them to charge with A123/LiFePO4 3.3V chargers.

I am guessing that these might not be sold outright but only available for laptop batteries?

If these can be over 3v and safe chemistry and other stats, it would totally be awesome!

 

[^Gurthang]

Thanks Lux, those are SWEET! Just knew that once the big hitters put their weight behind battery development new & better cells would appear. Now, if only a few cases would "fall off the back of the truck" near AW....

 

[rushnrockt]

Anyone see these for sale yet? Has some uniquie benefits.

3.2 V Nominal might allow them to charge with A123/LiFePO4 3.3V chargers.

There are a couple threads already on this and these are Iron Phosphate batteries so they should charge just fine in those chargers.

 

[AW]

I introduced my Iron Phosphate R123s three years ago. Maybe some of them fell off near Sony .........

Now, if only a few cases would "fall off the back of the truck" near AW....

 

[VidPro]

Anyone see these for sale yet? Has some uniquie benefits.

3.2 V Nominal might allow them to charge with A123/LiFePO4 3.3V chargers.

amasing 1.1amp of power only what 1/2 of a real battery and with less voltage too, less wattage.
dang give me the fusion battery, a little radiation and some explosive fires here and there never hurt anybody , , , to much :huh:

when your not doing hotwires, RC, and major output things (15minutes of happiness), stuff like this is as usless as a LeadAcid brick.

sony leveraging thier Fortunelion , i yawn in thier general direction, give me POWER i want reserve power not cold cranking amps.

1.1Ax3.2V = 3.52W
2.4Ax3.6V = 8.64W
now whos ya daddy what Laptop, Tablet, GPS, small flashlight, PDA, or Phone item is going to use this stuff, untill they step up the Capacity, gimme fire out of the exhaust ports, i'll put a spark arrester on

 

[rushnrockt]

amasing 1.1amp of power only what 1/2 of a real battery and with less voltage too, less wattage.
dang give me the fusion battery, a little radiation and some explosive fires here and there never hurt anybody , , , to much :huh:

when your not doing hotwires, RC, and major output things (15minutes of happiness), stuff like this is as usless as a LeadAcid brick.

sony leveraging thier Fortunelion , i yawn in thier general direction, give me POWER i want reserve power not cold cranking amps.

1.1x3.2 = 3.52W
2.4x3.6 = 8.64W
now whos ya daddy what Laptop, Tablet, GPS, small flashlight, PDA, or Phone item is going to use this stuff, untill they step up the Capacity, gimme fire out of the exhaust ports, i'll put a spark arrester on

I am confused, 2.4A and 3.6V for what battery are you are talking about?

 

[smopoim86]

I am confused, 2.4A and 3.6V for what battery are you are talking about?

The regular li-ions i would assume.

 

[VidPro]

right conservative estimate of todays good li-ions (not li-Fe-po).

 

[rushnrockt]

right conservative estimate of todays good li-ions (not li-Fe-po).

Ahh, I see. Which li-ions have 20A discharge capability?

 

[VidPro]

Ahh, I see. Which li-ions have 20A discharge capability?

the big FAT ones, which laptop or camera device that sony makes will need 20A discharge capacity?
and what is that 3-5minutes of runtime on a 1.1amp battery, Generally speaking if you need 20amps, its probably better to go with more overall storage anyways, what device is needed for only 5 minutes?
wont get very far with that tool. toy, device or whatever, 5minutes is what you might expect for a keylight.

stuff is going backwards for "safety" they are going to be making lithium Ni-Cds before long, LSD cells with little capacity , new formulations with little capacity, its all good and well for the suited applications, but these battery geeks keep PROMISING technology for YEARS now and they turn around and deliver Less.
where is the fancy stuff they keep talking about in the pitri dish? Vaaaaaapppppoooorrr

 

[LuxLuthor]

As is the case with most tool packs, they have 2p or 3p to increase capacity.

If they had 5s3p to get 16V or 6s2p for 19V with huge Amp output for a Real Man's Tool, and that could recharge in 5 mins, and good for thousand(s) of charge cycles....that is the market. WIth two packs, you would never be without portable power, since one would be charged by the time the other ran out.

 

[rushnrockt]

the big FAT ones, which laptop or camera device that sony makes will need 20A discharge capacity?
and what is that 3-5minutes of runtime on a 1.1amp battery, Generally speaking if you need 20amps, its probably better to go with more overall storage anyways, what device is needed for only 5 minutes?
wont get very far with that tool. toy, device or whatever, 5minutes is what you might expect for a keylight.

stuff is going backwards for "safety" they are going to be making lithium Ni-Cds before long, LSD cells with little capacity , new formulations with little capacity, its all good and well for the suited applications, but these battery geeks keep PROMISING technology for YEARS now and they turn around and deliver Less.
where is the fancy stuff they keep talking about in the pitri dish? Vaaaaaapppppoooorrr

I have no idea why you are comparing multi-cell packs here to a regular battery. And what is a lithium Ni-Cd battery?

 

[Mr Happy]

I think VidPro is looking forward to the kind of power pack found in phasers, that contain so much energy that they explode with the force of a hand grenade if you overload them. Which sort of hints at the kind of consumer safety issues such batteries would have if they ever reach the market...

...we would need a new

icon to replace the tame icon we have now!

 

[LuxLuthor]

The other reason these are significant is A123 finally came out with its IPO today. A week ago, they planned it to have an opening price of $8.50, and as the interest picked up this week, they started it at $13.50 this morning. As of right now, they have sold their entire IPO of stock with many extra intra-day trading, and currently at $19.90 a share.

This Sony Fortelion basically performs very similar to the A123 cells, and A123 as a company has had heavy losses, only being propped up by Govt. grants because it is a US company, investments by GE, etc. I'm no longer as excited about A123 exclusively.