out to buy a SF 9P..what mods suggested?

[toph]

im going to purchase a Surefire 9P for myself. i was thinking of putting a strike bezel on it like the 6PD. i dont know which one to pick up as there are ALOT of them on ebay. i want the highest quality, or else what's the point?

also, i plan on using AW's Li-Ion cells 17500 cells. so, if you guys can suggest a really nice bright bulb to go with it (preferrably brighter than the stock P91 200 Lumen bulb, i dont care about batt. life)


i've been reading for the past few hours (literally) on the types of bezels, batteries (protected, unprotected, cr123 vs. 17500's, etc), bulbs LF EO-9, CREE, etc) along with MDs Lithium-Ion>Incandescent guide, +compatibility/comparison chart.

I just want a clear cut answer as which route to take. this will be my first SF light and my first day here on the boards. i learned about CPF through firearms forum "SigForum".

also, what are these CREE bulbs i see on ebay stating 300plus lumens for a 9P? they better than LF?? anything over 200 Lumens on a 9p would be awesome. i work graveyard alone at a condo as security and will use the 9P to temporarily blind an intruder incase the need arises. i would like to resort using my 9P first before unholstering my firearm.

thanks for your help. i plan on purchasing my 9p tomrrow.

 

[USM0083]

im going to purchase a Surefire 9P for myself. i was thinking of putting a strike bezel on it like the 6PD. i dont know which one to pick up as there are ALOT of them on ebay. i want the highest quality, or else what's the point?

also, i plan on using AW's Li-Ion cells 17500 cells. so, if you guys can suggest a really nice bright bulb to go with it (preferrably brighter than the stock P91 200 Lumen bulb, i dont care about batt. life)


i've been reading for the past few hours (literally) on the types of bezels, batteries (protected, unprotected, cr123 vs. 17500's, etc), bulbs LF EO-9, CREE, etc) along with MDs Lithium-Ion>Incandescent guide, +compatibility/comparison chart.

I just want a clear cut answer as which route to take. this will be my first SF light and my first day here on the boards. i learned about CPF through firearms forum "SigForum".

also, what are these CREE bulbs i see on ebay stating 300plus lumens for a 9P? they better than LF?? anything over 200 Lumens on a 9p would be awesome. i work graveyard alone at a condo as security and will use the 9P to temporarily blind an intruder incase the need arises. i would like to resort using my 9P first before unholstering my firearm.

thanks for your help. i plan on purchasing my 9p tomrrow.

:welcome:

I'm running a Lumens Factory HO-9 in a 6P+detonator extension and 2 x AW 17500.

Surefire rates their lumens out the front (AKA "torch" lumens) at about 50% battery life (lithium primaries). With primaries a P91 is putting out 300+ lumens, but the voltage sags quickly.

17500 cells are not enough to drive a P91 reliably. They will drive a Lumens Factory EO-9, which is around 25% less powerful than a P91, but about 50% more than a P90, a very happy medium.

Another thing I like about LF bulbs are that they are tuned for a better throw than SF bulbs, and they are cheaper.

Many manufacturers, including those of LEDs, list bulb lumens. Multiply by .65 to get torch lumens.

Something like a Malkoff M60, one of the most highly regarded on the market, puts out 235+ bulb lumens, and about 152 torch lumens. Considerably less that a P91, but with better throw and the runtime you would expect from a LED.

I would go for a EO-9 which according to Mdocod's list:

Cell configuration: 2x17500

Bulb Options:
LF D26 ES-9: 7W, 115 - 75 lumen in 73 minutes
LF D26 SR-9: 9W, 160 - 100 lumen in 51 minutes
LF D26 HO-9: 12W, 215 - 132 lumen in 40 minutes
LF D26 EO-9: 15W, 268 - 162 lumen in 30 minutes
SF P90: 9W, 151 - 94 lumen in 52 minutes

 

[Lightguy27]

Just so you know, the P91 does not come with the 9p. The 9P is supplied with the P90 which is 105 lumens. The P91 is 25 bucks and sold seperate, just don't want you to be bummed when you buy and it's not what you thought you were getting. But like USM said, Lumens factory makes the best upgrade bulbs. Good luck and :welcome:

-Evan

 

[Icebreak]

Hello, toph

Great forum that SIGforum. I keep meaning to register and thank those guys for all the useful information I've been able to access.

I believe that the 9P is at the top of its game with a P91 as for as lumens or sheer output.

On the Malkoff, I've been switching it and a P91 back and forth for the last couple of weeks to decide which I prefer for a similar application you will use your 9P for. The Malkoff seems to have very similar lux or intensity at the hotspot. It's a very different kind of spectrum of light so its a challenge to figure. Everyone's eyes are different but my limited experience is that, given the same or similar intensity of light beam in a dark environment, an LED seems cause a bit more flinch response from humans. Maybe its because they are not used to seeing that spectrum. This isn't definitive. It has a lot to do with perspective.

I don't have the EO9 yet so my opinion is speculative. The reports all agree that it throws well which means it's hot spot has good intensity. I'm still testing to see what I'll use in my Z3 and will know more once I have an E09 in my possession.

You were looking for a clear cut answer which I didn't provide but from what I know or understand USM0083's answer is spot on and clear cut. I believe he has strong, real world experience.

Here's a picture of my Surefire Z3:

Oh, darn. Wrong photo.

Welcome to CandlePowerForums.

 

[mdocod]

if you are PLANNING on rechargeable Li-Ion cells and you haven't bought your light yet, why not invest in an 18mm compatible configuration. A Wolf-Eyes 9AX or a LeefBody with bezel and tailcap with a pair of 18500 cells will be about the same length, have about 30% more runtime, and be able to drive the P91 safely (which the 17500s CAN'T DO).... There is no brighter lamp in a D26 assembly than a P91 driven on a pair of Li-Ion cells, but you won't even be able to use it in your 9P on rechargeable cells, and on primaries it's no-where near as impressive. (a pair of 18500/17670/18650s drive the P91 about 40-60% brighter than it is on primaries)...

The other option is a 9P with a 1 cell extender and a pair of 17670s.. (all this is in the compatibility chart)... but you will see there is no P91 listed under the 2x17500 configuration, and that's for your safety. If you were willing to go with a 2x17670 length light, you might as well buy the leefbody so you can run a 2x18650 light instead and have 30% more runtime.

 

[justmyluck]

BTW, welcome to CPF!

 

[Dioni]

Nice wrong photo. :thumbsup:

:welcome: Toph.

 

[powernoodle]

To your P9, maybe add an A19 extender, 2x rechargeable batts (17670 I guess) and a P91 lamp. It is dang bright. This one is essentially the same thing, i.e., a P6 with 2x A19.

BTW, anyone know if the KT2 head (shown here) works with this set-up? It appears that it does.

 

[socom1970]

To your P9, maybe add an A19 extender, 2x rechargeable batts (17670 I guess) and a P91 lamp. It is dang bright. This one is essentially the same thing, i.e., a P6 with 2x A19.

BTW, anyone know if the KT2 head (shown here) works with this set-up? It appears that it does.

Yes, the KT2 turbohead will work with your setup. I have one on my 9P, which I like very much. Just make sure you remember the lamp assembly is a 9 volt assembly, which works well with two 17670 cells or three primaries. Four primaries = BTW, are those water bubbles in the fogged-up bezel window of your light, or is it some other more serious problem?

 

[toph]

Hello, toph

Great forum that SIGforum. I keep meaning to register and thank those guys for all the useful information I've been able to access.

I believe that the 9P is at the top of its game with a P91 as for as lumens or sheer output.

On the Malkoff, I've been switching it and a P91 back and forth for the last couple of weeks to decide which I prefer for a similar application you will use your 9P for. The Malkoff seems to have very similar lux or intensity at the hotspot. It's a very different kind of spectrum of light so its a challenge to figure. Everyone's eyes are different but my limited experience is that, given the same or similar intensity of light beam in a dark environment, an LED seems cause a bit more flinch response from humans. Maybe its because they are not used to seeing that spectrum. This isn't definitive. It has a lot to do with perspective.

I don't have the EO9 yet so my opinion is speculative. The reports all agree that it throws well which means it's hot spot has good intensity. I'm still testing to see what I'll use in my Z3 and will know more once I have an E09 in my possession.

You were looking for a clear cut answer which I didn't provide but from what I know or understand USM0083's answer is spot on and clear cut. I believe he has strong, real world experience.

Here's a picture of my Surefire Z3:

Oh, darn. Wrong photo.

Welcome to CandlePowerForums.

gotta love that 229! i have one myself. ctc edition .40
thanks for the input! see you around SigForum.

cheers.

 

[toph]

first off, thank you for the much appreciated love. and thank you everyone for your suggestions. i think i will follow what mdocod said and follow that route. heck, ill just go ahead and get a 6pd or a 9p as a backup.

mdocod, where can i purchase all that is required for that particular set-up you suggested? sounds like an awesome light.

thanks again everyone.

 

[Outdoors Fanatic]

if you are PLANNING on rechargeable Li-Ion cells and you haven't bought your light yet, why not invest in an 18mm compatible configuration. A Wolf-Eyes 9AX or a LeefBody with bezel and tailcap with a pair of 18500 cells will be about the same length, have about 30% more runtime, and be able to drive the P91 safely (which the 17500s CAN'T DO).... There is no brighter lamp in a D26 assembly than a P91 driven on a pair of Li-Ion cells, but you won't even be able to use it in your 9P on rechargeable cells, and on primaries it's no-where near as impressive. (a pair of 18500/17670/18650s drive the P91 about 40-60% brighter than it is on primaries)...

The other option is a 9P with a 1 cell extender and a pair of 17670s.. (all this is in the compatibility chart)... but you will see there is no P91 listed under the 2x17500 configuration, and that's for your safety. If you were willing to go with a 2x17670 length light, you might as well buy the leefbody so you can run a 2x18650 light instead and have 30% more runtime.

Which one is brighter: the P91 on 2x18500 or the Wolf-Eyes M300 Lion?

 

[Icebreak]

Leef at Lighthound

AW 18650 at CPF Market Place

 

[mdocod]

Hi Toph,
here's a 2x18500 body that is SF compatible, compatible tailcaps and bezels are listed with the product info:
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2599

A similar light made by wolf-eyes is available here:
http://www.pts-flashlights.com/products/productList.aspx?uid=1-4-13

[edit in] just noticed Icebreak pointed out the 2x18650 option as well there... which, if you're willing to go with the slightly longer body would be even better for runtime.


Hello Outdoors Fanatic:
I think the M300 will have the edge but I can't say for sure.... I haven't seen any detailed information about the bulb yet....

 

[Monocrom]

As far as strike bezels go, check out these two from Lighthound....

http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3079

http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2894

Also, it's rare for me to order online. I've ordered from Lighthound twice, and gotten excellent service as well as fast delivery times. And if you prefer, Lighthound takes money orders too.

 

[Outdoors Fanatic]

Mdocod, thanks. I'm searching for something more powerful than my G3 ( since I can't run the P91 in it with rechargeables and the HO-9 is not absurdly brighter than the P90 ). I was considering a Raider, but given the fact that the M300 Lion -- which comes complete with batteries + charger + lamp assembly -- is not much more expensive than the Raider + batteries + P91. I see no point in getting the Raider in case the Lion was brighter. Not to mention I really like that fatty form factor! ( and I can exchange parts with the Boxer HIDs ). So many options... What I know for sure, is that the Lion will definitely have more runtime than anything with a P91.

 

[bullinchinashop]

If I get enough extenders will 2 18650's fit in a 9P?
Assuming it doesn't cost an arm a leg and both livers to get enough extenders to use 2 18650's what bulb/led upgrade would you recommend for this.
I already have a 9P that I'm using a cheap cree bulb in and I'm looking to get something higher in quality & more dependable.
I don't care how long the light is using 2 18650's.

Thanks

 

[Icebreak]

They will not fit.

In mdocod's sig line you'll see a link to a well structured presentation, including compatibility matrices, that many folks find to be terrifically helpful when planning different configurations using Li-Ion batteries with incandescent lights.

 

[bullinchinashop]

They will not fit.

In mdocod's sig line you'll see a link to a well structured presentation, including compatibility matrices, that many folks find to be terrifically helpful when planning different configurations using Li-Ion batteries with incandescent lights.

As soon as I posted that I found this

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=186981
and this
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2619
Sorry I've been away from the forum for a LONG time & I'm still trying to play catch-up.

 

[powernoodle]

BTW, are those water bubbles in the fogged-up bezel window of your light, or is it some other more serious problem?

I guess I melted the lens a little. Those bubbles are there to stay.