P60 Type Beam Out of E2E?

[tsl]

Does anyone know how to get a P60 type beam out of the E2E platform? I have both an E2E w/MN03 and a C2 w/P60. I love the form factor of the E2E, and the beam is quite nice for close to medium distances, but the P60 has a more intense hotspot and throws further. If I could find a lamp for the E2E that would be similar to the P60 (or even brighter), then I could retire the C2.

I think that a LF beam would be the way to go, perhaps the HO-E2A, but I could be wrong. I've only used primaries, but I could go with a 17670 ... which I'm not sure would be much brighter with a LF EO-E1R.

Any suggestions and/or comparison beamshots would be appreciated!

 

[schiesz]

Its mainly reflector size that you are dealing with here. You could get an E2C adapter for the E2e to make it take the C2 bezel and get what you want, but, in general, the larger reflector in the C23 bezel is gong to out-throw the smaller diameter bezel in the E2e.

 

[Ty_Bower]

You need a larger diameter reflector to achieve what you wish to do. The only way to get a tighter spot out of the ExE (without somehow installing a larger diameter reflector) would be to get a lamp with a much smaller filament. Such a lamp does not exist.

 

[RyanA]

You could look into doing an E-can type mod with an Led, most likely a p4 and a collaminator optic, that will give you a tighter, throwier light, but usually at the expense of spill.

 

[Lunal_Tic]

The E2d bezels that I have consistantly throw a tighter beam than my ExE bezels. That combined with the LumensFactory "EO-E2R (7.2V, 150 Lumens) Extreme High Output Lamp Assembly" might give you what you seek. The hotspot on my E2ds isn't as tight as a P60 but the light output is both whiter and brighter and I think that would give you the added distance.

-LT

note: the LF bulb above requires 2x Li-ion batteries to work.

 

[schiesz]

You could look into doing an E-can type mod with an Led, most likely a p4 and a collaminator optic, that will give you a tighter, throwier light, but usually at the expense of spill.

Not really. If you do the eCan mod, it will 1) take away portion of your existing reflector and 2) introduce a larger light source, both of which will REDUCE your throw.

I'm not saying this mod is not worthwhile or a good idea, but it will certainly not increase throw.

 

[gswitter]

There's at least two (maybe more) variations of the E*e bezel. One that I picked up in the Marketplace a few months ago has a less stippled reflector. The difference isn't that significant (and it's no replacement for a P60), but it does appear to throw a little further.

 

[RyanA]

Not really. If you do the eCan mod, it will 1) take away portion of your existing reflector and 2) introduce a larger light source, both of which will REDUCE your throw.

I'm not saying this mod is not worthwhile or a good idea, but it will certainly not increase throw.

leds can make use of optics, which are generally better able to focus the beam better than a comparably sized reflector.

 

[labrat]

Does anyone know how to get a P60 type beam out of the E2E platform? I have both an E2E w/MN03 and a C2 w/P60. I love the form factor of the E2E, and the beam is quite nice for close to medium distances, but the P60 has a more intense hotspot and throws further. If I could find a lamp for the E2E that would be similar to the P60 (or even brighter), then I could retire the C2.

I've only used primaries, but I could go with a 17670 ... which I'm not sure would be much brighter with a LF EO-E1R.

This:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=168327

with a Strion bulb and a 17670 is brighter than the Lumens Factory EO-E1R.
With 2 RCR123 and the TL-3 bulb much brighter!
Not a tight hotspot like a P60, throw is still as good because of much higher output total.

 

[tsl]

Found this beamshot thread ...

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=156188

Doesn't look like a big difference between bulbs, but the fact that the EO-E1R can take a 17670 and last the same time as the MN03 is nice. Posts say that the HO-E2A looks brighter than the MN03, but I can't see much of a difference.

However, a general consensus of other threads is that the HO bulb is a nice improvement over the stock bulb. That may be my next move.

And then, if I want to go the RCR route, there's the HO-E2R or EO-E2R. Hmmm ...

This:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=168327

with a Strion bulb and a 17670 is brighter than the Lumens Factory EO-E1R.
With 2 RCR123 and the TL-3 bulb much brighter!
Not a tight hotspot like a P60, throw is still as good because of much higher output total.

Labrat, thanks. The fivemega Strion mod was in the back of my head when I started this thread.

 

[labrat]

Posts say that the HO-E2A looks brighter than the MN03, but I can't see much of a difference.

There really is not much difference, but I prefer the Lumens Factory bulbs to Surefire bulbs, they seem more rugged and lasts longer before dying!

And then, if I want to go the RCR route, there's the HO-E2R or EO-E2R. Hmmm ...

Labrat, thanks. The fivemega Strion mod was in the back of my head when I started this thread.

And the TL-3 is much brighter, but loose in runtime on a set of batteries against the Lumens Factory bulbs.

fivemega now also have his 4th of July sale, with 25 % off!

 

[Lunal_Tic]

Left to Right: P60, E2e MN03, E2D EO-E2R w/2x Li-ions

This was taken from about 1.7M all lights with fresh batteries.
-LT

 

[tsl]

Left to Right: P60, E2e MN03, E2D EO-E2R w/2x Li-ions

This was taken from about 1.7M all lights with fresh batteries.
-LT

Looks like the EO-E2R is as bright as the P60. Was that with two RCR's? Will the EO-E2R light up consistently with one click (or twist)?

 

[Lunal_Tic]

Looks like the EO-E2R is as bright as the P60. Was that with two RCR's? Will the EO-E2R light up consistently with one click (or twist)?

Hi tsl,

As mentioned above the LF bulb requires 2xLi-ions to work. I've never tried 2 lithium primaries but I can't imagine that the results would be good. The Li-ions that I'm currently using are Powerizers and they fire up as they should, nary a false blink. I trust it enough that it's my EDI (every day incan) strapped in a vertical sheath to the shoulder strap of my bag supplementing whatever LED light I've got in my pocket.

While the P60 is definitely a tighter beam the added output of the LF bulb really takes the E series to a new level and I like it a lot. I went through all the bezels I have and my "D" parts provided the tightest beam with both the MN03 and the LF bulbs. I'm sure there are many variants of the Surefire parts but at least in my sample they were consistent.

The light I carry is a little Frank'n Fire with a E2D bezel, E2O clip, Nekomane shroud on a Z57 clickie tailcap. The lower part of the D bezel doesn't appear purple in daylight only under the camera flash but it is a little lighter than the "teeth".

-LT

 

[generic808]

Go with a TnC E2C adapter then run a 6PD strike bezel with a Malkoff M60 or M60F :devil: