Petzl MyoBelt XP 2008 - Vivisection :)

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Petzl MyoBelt / Myo XP 2008 - Vivisection :)

Everything that You would like to know, bout they wont tell you in the shop.

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One of the biggest outdoor makers finally wake up and put on the market refreshed version of the well known Myo XP / Myobelt XP.

Some marketing crapp :

  • - 200% brighter
    - 85 lumens output and nn the BOOST mode even 150 !
    - good looking grey-black design
    - powered by "AA x 3 (1,2V-1,5V)'
    - 3 color battery charge indicator (green->yellow->red)

On the leaflet inside the blister there is some strange issue : in the High mode headlamp on the dedicated 6 cell battery pack 3400mAh should work 50 hours and on the 3 Alkaline Batteries 80 hours !!!

It looks almost the same as the old one, excluding the color, but I think that any flashaholic will recognize SSC P4 emitter ;).
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Inside, it looks the same as the old one…
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In old XP's Petzl was grudging and many times they put S-bin Luxeons instead T-bin or better. This time, inside the headlamp is original U-bin SSC P4 star – USXPI, yes they can be a bit more demanding and chose lower Vf version USXPH but this will be good too – I was worrying that they will use T-bin SSC. :grin2:
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Inside almost nothing has changed…
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When U use 3 alcaline's from the headlamp package LED will be powered as shown:
Code:
            USXPI            USX0H
BOOST   762,1 mA    3,73v    913,1 mA	3,82v 
HIGH    269,7 mA    3,25v    299,2 mA	3,06v 
MID     157,9 mA    3,12v    170,3 mA	2,94v
LOW      65,4 mA    2,95v     68,3 mA	2,8v

Now, lets test powering it up from the NiMh's – it newer was the strong side of this headlamp, but maybe they improve something… :p 3 slightly used cells – 3,84V without load. In the meantime I switched the star to the USX0H :).
Code:
        I-led        V-led     V-in
HIGH    194,0 mA     2,97v    3,77v
MID     111,5 mA     2,87v    3,80v
LOW      44,0 mA     2,75v    3,82v
As you can see, everything goes as usual, there is not enough voltage to power the LED – so you cant use the headlamp properly.

In that case you need to use 4xAA battery pack :devil: 4 NiMH cells - 5,13V without load.
Code:
        I-led   V-led     I-in   V-in     Eff
BOSST   714 mA  3,40v    742 mA  3,74V   87,5%
HIGH    415 mA  3,16v    417 mA  4,16v   75,6%
MID     233 mA  3,01v    237 mA  4,57v   64,8%
LOW      90 mA  2,84v     92 mA  4,89v   56,8%
Let it be the light :twothumbs

SUMMARY
New LED, twice much light as from the earlier version, the same price, 3 year guarantee - one of the best value-for money headlamps on the market today. But it still have one weakness from the older model – it don't have good buck/boost driver. :ohgeez:

OLD Myo vs NEW Myo - on High
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on Mid
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on Low
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Excellent info Szemhazai,
to bad they didn't optimize it for NiMh's,
194 mA in high mode, isn't that under 60 lumens or so? ... what where they thinking:thinking:

I was about to buy this one but I think I´ll wait and see what Zebralight and Fenix comes up with.

Many thanks
 
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Szemhazai,

Nice work and thanks for the review. :twothumbs

I agree with previous comments about the lack of performance with NiMH batteries. Also Petzl note that Lithium cells aren't supposed to be used with the H/L either, so that only leaves Alks.:green:
 
what is the price? And where is quickest way to get one?
 
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In Poland it costs about 90$, the main problem is that the most of the outdoor shops still have many old MYO's XP and they need some time to sold them out. So they are keeping new myos in the stores.
 
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Excellent info Szemhazai,
to bad they didn't optimize it for NiMh's,
194 mA in high mode, isn't that under 60 lumens or so? ... what where they thinking:thinking:

....
Many thanks

I don't understand all the electronic data but why do you say its not optimized for NiMh's ?

And thank you very much for review Szemhazai
 
I don't understand all the electronic data but why do you say its not optimized for NiMh's ?

Because there is a big current drop when you are switching from Alkaline's to NiMH's – if they will put there Buck/Boost converter i.e. something like Sandwich GD500 – the each light level will have the same current +/- 10% regardless power supply.
 
While peak currents and lumens might be higher on fresh Alkalines those values will drop like a rocket due to the unregulated nature. I bet overall performance will actually be better on NiMh.

**EDIT**
Here is the runtime graph of the original on Alks. As you can see it drops like a rock.
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/petzl_myoxp.htm

also:
... when you put new batteries in then they look even better for the first couple off minute . With a new set of batteries the pack measures 4.8 v as it sits and 4.5 v under load . After 5 min it drops to 4.3 v and 3.9 under load...

Don

Petzl should have lowered the current to the Low beam. It was already too bright to begin with. They could have kept Lumens the same and doubled the runtime.
 
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Thanks Szemhazai! :twothumbs

I was going to mod my old Myo XP but saw the new Myo XP and bought it, thinking Petzl had put a Cree in. Now I find out I'm wrong!

So, two questions!

1) If I mod my old Myo XP with the USWOH I've got here, it'll be at least as good as the new one?

2) I use NiMh's all the time with my Myo's. How safe is it to use 4 cells?

Thanks!
 
Because there is a big current drop when you are switching from Alkaline's to NiMH's – if they will put there Buck/Boost converter i.e. something like Sandwich GD500 – the each light level will have the same current +/- 10% regardless power supply.

| I'm sorry for my ignorance but please sometimes make it simple. What does that all mean in real life ?
 
In my opinion it is still the same optic. The only difference in the internal design is slightly higher LED holder to compensate thinner star – but I've seen the same (higher) holder in 2 of old myos ('06 labeled) so I'm unable to say thet it's new solution (my current MYO is labeled 09 '07).

Sarratt - that when you will use NiMH's instead of alkalines the headlamp will burn shorter and weaker than on alkalines.
 
Sarratt - that when you will use NiMH's instead of alkalines the headlamp will burn shorter and weaker than on alkalines.

It's not as simple as that. The runtime curves will be completely different. The alkalines will start off brighter but drop much faster. The NiMh will start off dimmer but hold a higher output for longer. The Alks will have a longer "tail" of very dim light.

For all practical purposes you probably won't notice any difference.
 
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Again, where best place to buy for next week delivery?

And, anyone mod for 4 AA, and how did it go?
 
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