pilots union requests lithium ban

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From Business Week online:

The world's largest pilots union said Tuesday it wants bulk shipments of lithium batteries and products containing the batteries banned from passenger and cargo planes because they can start a fire.

In seeking a U.S. ban, the Air Line Pilots Association pointed to three incidents since June in which lithium battery shipments apparently caused fires aboard U.S. planes.

On Aug. 14, a fire in a shipment of 1,000 e-cigarettes -- a battery-powered device that provides inhaled doses of nicotine -- was discovered in the cargo compartment of a plane after it landed at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Each cigarette contained a rechargeable lithium-ion battery.

In another instance, a package of cell phone batteries shipped from Michigan to the Dominican Republican was found smoking and smoldering after a United Parcel Service plane landed in Santo Domingo on July 15. The package documentation indicated "used batteries -- non-haz."

A burned package containing a lithium-ion "bicycle-power device" was discovered in the cargo of a UPS flight from Ontario, California, to Honolulu on June 18, the union said.

"The evidence of a clear and present danger is mounting," Mark Rogers, director of the union's dangerous good program, said in a statement. "We need an immediate ban on these dangerous goods to protect airline passengers, crews and cargo."

The union emphasized that it is not seeking a ban on passengers carrying electronic devices containing lithium batteries onto planes, such as laptop computers, cell phones, and cameras. Instead, the union's concern is with cargo containing multiple batteries, either loose or inside products.

If a battery short-circuits, it can catch fire and that fire can ignite other batteries.

John Prater, the union's president, said in a letter to Cynthia Douglass, acting deputy administrator of the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, that an immediate ban on shipments is necessary until the agency can develop regulations for safe packaging of the batteries for transport.

He noted that Douglass told a House panel this spring that the safety administration is working on new regulations for the shipment of lithium batteries. However, he said that if the government doesn't act quickly, the union will ask Congress to step in.

Officials for the safety administration didn't immediately return a phone call seeking comment.

Prater said the three recent incidents are similar to a Feb. 7, 2006, incident in which a UPS DC-8 made an emergency landing at Philadelphia International Airport after the flight crew detected smoke in the cargo hold, which worsened as the plane descended. The plane landed safely and the crew escaped with minor injuries, but the plane and most of the cargo were destroyed.

"We have been most fortunate that the lithium-ion battery malfunctions (in the three recent incidents) didn't cause an accident, but luck is not a sound safety strategy," Prater said.

The Federal Aviation Administration no longer permits large, pallet-size shipments of lithium-metal batteries on passenger planes. Airline passengers are not allowed to pack loose lithium batteries in checked luggage. Consumer electronics containing lithium batteries are still allowed in carry-on and checked luggage. However, passengers are limited to two spare lithium batteries in carry-on baggage.
 
Thanks for post. I wish they knew enough to distinguish between the combustable Lithium Cobalt and safe chemistries of Lithium Manganese/Lithium Iron Phosphate.
 
Airline passengers are not allowed to pack loose lithium batteries in checked luggage. Consumer electronics containing lithium batteries are still allowed in carry-on and checked luggage. However, passengers are limited to two spare lithium batteries in carry-on baggage.
damn...
what if they consider one of your flashlights a non- "Consumer electronic?"

:(
 
Once rules are finalized, they will err on the side of safety, and likely determine it can't go.

The silly thing in all honesty is to not also ban consumer electronics lithium powered devices. They can start a fire and cause catastrophic events as well. Most laptop battery packs have a number of cells to boost run time. If one blows, they all will, as demonstrated by the PC Pitstop video now with 1.5 million views.
 
As far as the TSA is concerned individual primary lithium cells with less than 2mg lithium content per cell are unlimited as carry on baggage, but they urge caution in handling and ensuring that the cells cannot be damaged or short circuited. Spare rechargeable lithium ion batteries having less than 8mg equivalent lithium content (less than roughly 100wh) are permitted in carry on, but not checked - but you are limited to 2 spare li-ion batts.

CR123A and Energizer AA/AAA lithium primaries all contain less than 2mg lithium.

If, for example, you wanted to fly with:

18650 light, with one cell inside +1 spare
cell phone with one cell inside +1 spare
laptop with 1 battery inside +1 spare
a dozen CR123A lithium primary cells

You would have to lose one of your spare cells, or find a way to install both batteries in the laptop at the same time (e.g. use a modular bay battery and take out the dvd drive for the flight). So long as the li-ion battery is installed in a device they don't count it toward your two battery limit, but it must still contain less than 8mg equivalent lithium content.
 
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damn...
what if they consider one of your flashlights a non- "Consumer electronic?"

:(

I think you're safe, unless you carry-on a case, say 20 or more, of lights and/or batteries.

Surely this will lead to an investigation/clarification of the types of batteries in question, leaving our ability to take li-ion powered devices on board in tact.
I'll bet shipping these items is going to get a little more expensive.
 
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What if you carry on a Surefire M6, and an extra battery holder full of cells? Technically that would be one extra battery, not 9 separate cells. i wonder if you could argue with them about that?

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Also, as far as I'm aware, most batteries are power cells. The definition of battery is:" a combination of many electrochemical Galvanic cells of identical type to store chemical energy and to deliver higher voltage or higher current than with single cells (ie: Surefire M6 'battery magazine')."
Therefore, it could be argued that you could carry an unlimited number of extra power cells (ie: individual CR123, AA, 18650), and still be within their limits of two extra batteries (multiple cells within a single container, used to provide more power, as in my example above).

Just my take and argument on the subject...
 
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What if you carry on a Surefire M6, and an extra battery holder full of cells? Technically that would be one extra battery, not 9 separate cells. i wonder if you could argue with them about that?

Lithium primaries are not a problem in your carry on luggage.
 
I was under the impression that lithium primaries were more dangerous in a product (like a light) than rechargeable lithium ion cells. Isn't most of the danger from lithium ion cells when the damaged/faulty cells are being charged?

Why would a laptop battery be any safer than a flashlight that uses lithium ion batteries?
 
Maybe these incendiary examples were God's way of telling us that electric cigarettes are evil, we're overly electronically connected with cell phones and bicycles were meant to be pedaled for e e exercise and not be electrically motorized. Therefore ... the same may have happened had the cells been of any chemistry.

Just playin' devil's advocate. :devil:
 
Because of e-cigs I haven't lit an actual cigarette in over two weeks, and I am almost completely weaned off of nicotine.
 
I was under the impression that lithium primaries were more dangerous in a product (like a light) than rechargeable lithium ion cells. Isn't most of the danger from lithium ion cells when the damaged/faulty cells are being charged?

Those have been the general observations here at CPF, but we are a pretty small sample size, relative to the worldwide use of either primary or secondary lithium cells. There have been more reports from primary cells at CPF.

Certainly, there have been tens of millions of laptop batteries recalled from almost every major computer manufacturer: Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba, IBM/Lenova, etc

Why would a laptop battery be any safer than a flashlight that uses lithium ion batteries?

It wouldn't. Again, we are a smaller sample size, and many of us started switching over to protected Lithium Ion cells from Pila, AW, EagleTac...and some have further switched to safe Lithium chemistry cells. In large number of laptop battery packs, there are multiple cells enclosed, and they can hide cheaper OEM brands...but even Sony and Sanyo have had explosive failures of their cells.
 
Because of e-cigs I haven't lit an actual cigarette in over two weeks, and I am almost completely weaned off of nicotine.

I'm glad they are working for you. My intent was more tongue-in-cheek than anything and I'm always suspicious of industry claims. Hopefully, this new technology will help more people than not.

Good luck on your effort to quit, jchoo; I know it's tremendously hard to do for most people.
 
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