Stiff SF E2E switch normal?
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kill-o-zap:
There is a picture of the E2e clickie switch on page 37 of the 2003 catalog. It doesn't appear to be much bigger than the LOTC model.
If you don't have a catalog, you can download one by clicking on the link below.
SureFire 2003 Catalog
There is a picture of the E2e clickie switch on page 37 of the 2003 catalog. It doesn't appear to be much bigger than the LOTC model.
If you don't have a catalog, you can download one by clicking on the link below.
SureFire 2003 Catalog
Kill-O-Zap
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Oh, I see it, thanks. Doesn't look too bad.
To get momentary non-flickering light with the new SF clickies requires very little pressure. A fair amount of pressure is required to click it into constant on. When using the light, I think these switches are great. In pocket or pack carry, the lock out may be required do to the ease of activating the mom on. This may not sit ideally for some folks but I think the light should be optimized for use and not storage. The clickie I got to test was so optimized.
- Don
- Don
Size15's
Flashaholic
Don,
Are you saying that the Z57 may take some a little while to get used to using, and others will wonder how they ever managed with a pressure switch?
Al
Are you saying that the Z57 may take some a little while to get used to using, and others will wonder how they ever managed with a pressure switch?
Al
Al,
My opinion is that the Z57 is a complete and overpriced POS and that anybody to get one should have their head examined.
This opinion will remain in place until I have obtained all of the Z57's I need for my quiver. At that point, I might change my tune. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
- Don
My opinion is that the Z57 is a complete and overpriced POS and that anybody to get one should have their head examined.
This opinion will remain in place until I have obtained all of the Z57's I need for my quiver. At that point, I might change my tune. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
- Don
Size15's
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Don,
Sometimes I really wonder just what makes you click.
Al /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/huh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Sometimes I really wonder just what makes you click.
Al /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/huh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Al,
Join a very large crowd...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif.
OK, you win; yes, I do agree with your statement. Like anything, a strong virtue can be a serious fault depending on the point of reference and desired features. The new SF clickies that I have had the chance to try require some displacement but little force to activate in the momentary position and once activated, little effort or force is required to maintain a good, non flickering beam. Considerably more force is required to latch the switch into constant on. This switch behaves exactly in the manner I would want and chose. If the light is carried or stored in a manner where the tail switch might be in any pressure or contact with gear, it should be locked out or not used probably.
Compared to the other clickies I have tried, these new SF's rock!
Is that better AL? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
- Don
Join a very large crowd...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif.
OK, you win; yes, I do agree with your statement. Like anything, a strong virtue can be a serious fault depending on the point of reference and desired features. The new SF clickies that I have had the chance to try require some displacement but little force to activate in the momentary position and once activated, little effort or force is required to maintain a good, non flickering beam. Considerably more force is required to latch the switch into constant on. This switch behaves exactly in the manner I would want and chose. If the light is carried or stored in a manner where the tail switch might be in any pressure or contact with gear, it should be locked out or not used probably.
Compared to the other clickies I have tried, these new SF's rock!
Is that better AL? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
- Don
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kinda I guess. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
Al,
Am I missing your dry wit or are you missing my tongue in cheek? Well at any rate, attempts at humor aside, I am a strong proponent for the clickies and I think the new Z57 and its kin will be a good upgrade for existing flashlights as well as hopefully a new standard on the flashlights to come. I don't know if they are the best solution for some folks but it's real hard to make something that is the best for all applications.
- Don
Am I missing your dry wit or are you missing my tongue in cheek? Well at any rate, attempts at humor aside, I am a strong proponent for the clickies and I think the new Z57 and its kin will be a good upgrade for existing flashlights as well as hopefully a new standard on the flashlights to come. I don't know if they are the best solution for some folks but it's real hard to make something that is the best for all applications.
- Don
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Re: Stiff SF E2E switch normal? *DELETED*
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emann
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brightnorm said:
I must be in a small minority because I like the present turn-push switches to the point where I've bought extras before they're all gone.
Brightnorm
[/ QUOTE ] So are you telling me that they won't keep making/offering both types after the clickie comes out?
brightnorm said:
I must be in a small minority because I like the present turn-push switches to the point where I've bought extras before they're all gone.
Brightnorm
[/ QUOTE ] So are you telling me that they won't keep making/offering both types after the clickie comes out?
Size15's
Flashaholic
One of the Z57's best attributes based on the one I tried at SS2003 (so it was a proto-type) was the ability to flash the E2e+KL4 really fast without clicking it on. It had a nice amount of "travel" before the click meaning that you can really have momentary switching and click switching from one button. It also locks out which is vital.
I'm looking forward to the release of the Z57.
Al
I'm looking forward to the release of the Z57.
Al
Oh yeah shure - clicking real fast - guess those poor souls in the UK need such for the disco effects - just take it easy on that poor little clickie switch Al so we don´t need to call in the flashlight police /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Klaus
Klaus
Emann,
I think this is a good question; one for which I don't know the answer.
I also think there is an interesting and underlying issue in play regarding the clickie VS non-clickie that is likely a topic for another thread as it goes beyond the scope of just a tail switch. This issue is in regards to optimizing a flashlight in form and fuction for when it is actually in use VS the design of form and function based upon carry of the light. Consideration of size, shape and switching mechanisims are not necessarily in sync when it is a question of carry VS use.
- Don
I think this is a good question; one for which I don't know the answer.
I also think there is an interesting and underlying issue in play regarding the clickie VS non-clickie that is likely a topic for another thread as it goes beyond the scope of just a tail switch. This issue is in regards to optimizing a flashlight in form and fuction for when it is actually in use VS the design of form and function based upon carry of the light. Consideration of size, shape and switching mechanisims are not necessarily in sync when it is a question of carry VS use.
- Don
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FalconFX said:
The L4 switch is quite sensitive. I wish the E2e cap was this sensetive; would've made for a quicker triggering... That being said, the L4 cap is giving me fits right now, as its internal spring's stuck and it won't click out...
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PieThatCorner said:
... I've never really got used to the extra pressure it took to activate the E2e light...
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You can adjust the E2E spring to any desired tension; here's a quick and easy fix.
Press the rear end of a small screwdriver handle firmly into the spring as far as it will go for 1-5 seconds. Release it and try it on your light. It will be noticeably easier to activate. You can also revive the resistance by slightly lengthening the spring. You can use a table corner or other protuberance instead of the screwdriver handle if you wish.
If you prefer to maintain standard spring tension you can increase your leverage advantage by moving the thumb deeper in over the switch so that contact is made closer to or actually on the thumb joint
I've experienced inconsistant click function also, in fact one of my Z57's is almost impossible to activate. I’m still undecided between the two switches but the Z57 wins in terms of security because it has, in effect, a double lockout through turn-lockout and click-lockout.
Brightnorm
FalconFX said:
The L4 switch is quite sensitive. I wish the E2e cap was this sensetive; would've made for a quicker triggering... That being said, the L4 cap is giving me fits right now, as its internal spring's stuck and it won't click out...
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PieThatCorner said:
... I've never really got used to the extra pressure it took to activate the E2e light...
[/ QUOTE ]
You can adjust the E2E spring to any desired tension; here's a quick and easy fix.
Press the rear end of a small screwdriver handle firmly into the spring as far as it will go for 1-5 seconds. Release it and try it on your light. It will be noticeably easier to activate. You can also revive the resistance by slightly lengthening the spring. You can use a table corner or other protuberance instead of the screwdriver handle if you wish.
If you prefer to maintain standard spring tension you can increase your leverage advantage by moving the thumb deeper in over the switch so that contact is made closer to or actually on the thumb joint
I've experienced inconsistant click function also, in fact one of my Z57's is almost impossible to activate. I’m still undecided between the two switches but the Z57 wins in terms of security because it has, in effect, a double lockout through turn-lockout and click-lockout.
Brightnorm
