Time to buy a monster

gary3911

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I have always gone with the advice I've had on CPF.

I'm a technician, and work in darkness indoors and outdoors on a daily basis.

Now, I use my 6PL every day at work, and at all other times, I carry my A2 (after being persuaded here that it was the thing to buy - how right you all were.)

Ok, now there comes a time in a mans life when he just has to get a big bad beast. I don't know (or care) what I'm going to use it for, but I just know I want one.

I've shortlisted the TL and M6, but I'm thinking M4 if my wife finds out what I'm up to.

Comments please.
 
When it comes to monsters the Skalomonster is hard to beat..............

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Have you considered a MilkyMod? - he could knock up somethig quite scary for you.

The light above outshines the M6 HOLA and gives approx. 6 times the run time of a set of AW C-Li Ions.

EDIT: Pics stolen from Skalomax:).
 
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What kind of budget do you have for the beast?
Do you want an output beast or a throw beast?

If you have $2500 to spare, I'd say go for a Polarion Helios (HID 35w). Not sure what your experience is with flashlights, but if an M6 is likely to awe you, then a HID will definitely blow your socks off the first time you see it. Of course there are cheaper HID options like AE Powerlight or Xenide or even a non flashlight form factor one.

A Milkymodded light like the one above is also a fantastically good light. Fully regulated lumens (700-1000+ depending on the current level) for 1-2hrs. Doesn't get much better than that (in current times). Only thing is it doesn't throw "heck-of-a-far" but throws decently and illuminates a huge area.

If you just wanna blow about $300, a stock M6 is still an awesome light! But just remember the MN21 runs for barely 20mins and will be expensive to upkeep if you use it often.

Alternatively, get one of those high-powered incan magmods. Happy Hunting!
 
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If all you want is absolute power and runtime isn't an issue I say you either build or buy a Mag85. Over 1,000 lumens out the front (nearly 2x as bright as an M6) and it runs on rechargable batteries so it costs next to nothing to use. Here my review of my 4C Mag85:

http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2352817#post2352817

The reason I suggest one of these is that it costs only around $115 for the light along with charger and everything you need. When comparing these monsters you have to figure in how much it costs to run them per hour. In case of the M6 it costs $30 (if you use Surefire cells and HO bulb) to run it for 1 hour. Pretty damn bad if you ask me.
The multi LED monsters are freaking awesome and I would LOVE to have one, but they are quite a bit more pricey than making a Mag85/ROP. If you have the cash to spare (around 500+) then they would be a option.
Good luck.
 
Welcome aboard Gary. One thing you need to keep in mind as far as responses from this gang, is that we have different definitions of a "monster light." Very few production pieces fit into this category as far as most of the folks here are concerned. Haha. I was in your same situation a year or so ago, wanting something more than my 60-80 lumen edc lights, but not sure where to look. Luckily I hadn't found this insane place yet, so my options were limited to production lights. Looking back now, knowing what I now know, I can't imagine that I would have had many choices if any.

All that being said, we'll need a bit more info to help you decide on your choices. Are you looking for something that's "from the factory fresh?" If so, your choices so far are great ones.

If not, there are sooo many options for builds that will devastate any sub-$300 light off the shelf, for far less money. The mag 85 can be built in several forms. I like the 2d and 3d variations myself. It's a bit bigger than what you're used to, but puts out a lot of light and is rechargeable. In my opinion, my 2c or 3c lithium Rops blow away anything surefire I've ever had as far as lighting up a working area and throwing down the street if need be. Rops are easy and cheap to build, probably the best bang for the buck as far as mods go. I love em, own 7 now all different. If you're looking for purely light output and throw, an incandescent (usually bi-pin) light is the way to go.... but... they're not as durable. I think I'd safely say a rop is as durable as a standard mag (pretty tough), but bipins can't take the beating of every day rough use, in my opinion.

If you're looking for durability and bright white light. There are so many led options available that also wipe the floor with most surefires. Fenix lights are amazing for quality, light output (to a certain extent, usually around 250 lumens max), and small size. For edc, if you like the surefire g2 size, you probably won't find a better overall candidate than the fenix t1. It's no super light, but it's way brighter and the torture testing done here shows that unless you get run over by trains or shot in combat on a daily basis, you probably won't ever break one. For led's you might also look into some upgrades or dropins like Gene Malkoff makes. I have every one of his mag dropins and they are truly amazing. I also just got a few of his surefire dropins and it turns a standard g2 or 6-9p into a machine I'd bet my life on. I have yet to get lucky enough to score one of his 4led dropins, but I will eventually. Drop one of those into a 2d mag run off 3cs or a 3d mag and you have yourself a truly "monster flashlight" nobody could argue with.

Ultimately it's up to you, what you want as far as practicality, how much you want to spend etc. Part of me hopes you never decide to go down the modding road, it's a slippery slope and you probably will never make it back. Haha, but since you're already here, I say you're probably already beyond the point of no return. So I encourage you to look beyond store bought flashlights, expand your arsenal to include some truly "monster" lights.

Good luck! Feel free to ask lots of questions, everyone here is generally happy to help. The search function (when it's not down for repairs ) is a great tool once you figure out what it is you're looking for.

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First off, we need to know your budget.

Then how big you want the light to be.

Then how much runtime.
 
Look at a 5761 mod, around 1400 bulb lumens is absolutely amazing. In a 2D M@g I get around 15 minutes runtime.
 
7 P60 dropins in a 1MCP spotlight yields 1300 emitter lumens for an hour for <$100. Can also swap the SLA in the spotlight for Eneloops.
 
Thanks so far.

Budget = $400 tops
Physical size = up to 2D Mag size - but negotiable
Runtime = 1 hour minimum

All the rest, I'm easy.

Although when the UB2 comes out, this will all go out the window I'm sure and take the budget elsewhere.
 
$400 is a great budget to start with. I have only spent that on two builds and they were best of the best type parts. If I were back in your shoes, with the knowlege I have now, and $400 to spend... I'd build/mod two lights. A mag85 type monster, something that puts out some serious incan goodness. And I'd get a portable high-output edc size light. Either a stock fenix t1 or a surefire g2 with a malkoff upgrade. I'd say you can probably do both for closer to 300 if you tried. That leaves room for batteries/chargers so you can leave the terrible world of primary batts :)

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Elektrolumens makes several powerful LED lights:

http://elektrolumens.com/ShadeSlayer/ShadeSlayer-7.html
http://elektrolumens.com/FireLion/FireLion-III.html

I'd suggest against the TL3 and M6. They are both great lights in their own way, but have downsides, esp. non-rechargeable.

My suggestion is BlackBear for pre-made incan, and Elektrolumens for pre-made LED.

For $400, there are also very powerful pre-made HID lights, such as the AE Light PL24: http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/aelight_pl24.htm. The downside with HID is ignition time. They aren't good for frequent on/off applications.

If you want an inexpensive A2-size rechargeable light that's both practical and rechargeable, consider the Fenix P3D Q5. It's not a monster multi-emitter light like the above, but it's brighter than your A2, can use rechargeable RCR123As, and has multiple output levels.

I have Elektrolumens Stunner P4: http://elektrolumens.com/Stunner-3D/Stunner-P4.html

It's pretty good, but I don't use it that much -- too big.

Always remember due to your eye's logarithmic sensitivity, it takes a huge lumen increase to make a big visual difference. In general doubling lumen output only produces an approx. 20% VISUAL brightness increase.
 

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