Torch recommendations: Helmet mount cycle/Rail mount gun/hand mount general wandering

Skullfish

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Hi all,

I'm a first time poster, though I've been reading your lovely site for a while.

I'm looking for a torch for multiple activities, and was wondering if you good people could give me some recommendations.

For context, I'm now biking to work and need a bright helmet mounted light to provide visibility on unlit, dodgy roads and to signal my presence to worrying cars. I have bar mounted lights for general visibility, but find that I can't see the road surface fast enough. I'll be riding for around 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, so would like to go rechargeable. Brighter is better as far as I'm concerned, with a relatively tight beam.

I'd also like to use it for airsofting, so would like a momentary on tail switch and bright enough beam to provide that tactical edge in CQB. For reference, again I'm looking for around 200+ lumens (As well as having the front glass strong enough to resist a hit) Option for a molle mounted fast access holster would be good as well, as would a lanyard and flip up red filter. Weapon mount and remote switch would be useful for the future, but for now I intend to use it with a pistol in a Harris grip.

Lastly, I'd like it to also operate as just a good quality, always available torch for use hiking, feeding outdoor pets, reading in the dark, etc.

Budget is £100 (UK) for torch, batteries, charger and mount. Other funky accessories can come later. Budget can increase slightly if absolutely necessary, but I'd really rather it didn't.


1)
I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: Less than £100. (UK) (Torch, mount, batteries, charger)


3) Format: I want a flashlight. (With helmet mount)


4) Flashlight-specific format/size: Every day carry small (2-4 inches)/Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).


5) Emitter/Light source: LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)


6) Manufacturer: Known or Bodged. (Though I am not a technically gifted person)


7) What battery type do you want to use? Not an issue, as long as they are available and rechargeable.


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible): (0-10 lumens) - (150-300 lumens).



9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.


  • Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
  • Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
  • 5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
  • 30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
  • 50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)



10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output): 3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights: Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).



12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
I want the ability to mount a remote/cable switch


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

I want at least 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
I want a programmable light. (possibly)



14)Material/Finish/Coating

Non-reflective, durable and waterproof
Strong front glass, preferably able to take a BB hit.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

Red filter (for preserving night vision, preferably flip up, a later accessory).
Holster (An optional extra for the future, but something offering fast access and molle mount would be good)
Weapon mountable on a RIS rail. (A later accessory)
Wrist lanyard

So, any thoughts?
 
Ok wow you have so many requirements.

I dont think there is going to be one magical light that will fit into all those requirements.

I would recommend that you get a purpose built/designed light for each area you need it.

However I think the best area to start would be a Surefire C2. check candlepower marketplace for a used one at a good price.

Then look into getting a malkoff devices drop in.

You can then get a SF red tip off filter for red.

But let me tell you, coming from an airsofter who has played more than a decade of CQB, red light is not that useful. It still gives away position. Best tactic is to use natural vision. Then blast the crap out of OPFOR with as bright a light you can possibly release.

I have had my Surefire weaponlight lens shot out from airsoft bb fire.

Here it is caught on my weapon camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUj_lS8Ljec

actually I would also recommend getting this

http://vikingtactics.com/pop-vtac_surefire_L4.html

It is basically a hand held Surefire scoutlight. puts out a modest 200 lumens on paper. Only issue is that you are in UK, and getting it ordered to you is a slight problem.

However it is a solid light and mountable. the C2 is not that mountable.

You might want to get a helmet with RIS on the side, then get a quick release mount to mount a surefire to your head.

If you are strapped for cash then you might have to go with companies like fenix. but like many things in life, like airsoft, you pay for what you get. There is a reason why Tokyo Marui costs higher than chinese brands. they are made better. just like SF.

Where in the UK are you?
 
The C2's main advantage is that you can change the light engine in it easily to suit your needs. I would, however, get the classic 6P and go from there. The 6P is just as versatile, if not more so, because it uses the same batteries, bezels, tailcaps, and batteries but has a round body that more easily allows you to attach it to a 1" handlebar mount or to a Picatinny rail using 1" mounts. The beauty of the 6P/C2 design is that it is completely modular so that you can swap the light engine and get different results from different modules. You can also swap heads altogether as well as tail caps. You're only limited by your imagination and pocket book.

A cheaper alternative might be the new G2X Tactical. You lose the modularity of the 6P but it's a fraction of the cost. The only thing you might be able to swap out on it is the tail cap and there's some debate about whether or not you should.
 
No headlamp alone will be bright enough for riding at a decent speed

You will need more than one light, or consider a bar mount for the bike.

Everything else fits a 6p or similar series(weapon mount and general use) but with a nice dropin
 
edit: whoops, i got my light grips/positions confused. Harries grip doesnt work that well. Look into Surefire lowlight techniques on youtube. you want to try Rogers/Surefire grip. then you can have two hands on your pistol.

Using a 6P makes this difficult. hence the choice of the C2.
 
Lots of requirements to fill with one light.

If your bar-mounted lights are flashlights, perhaps one of them should move to your helmet and get a brighter / better / more suited to your airsoft (and cycling?) purpose light for the handlebar.

For £100 (light, cells, charger) you are going to have to look at a non SureFire solution unless you have a ton of patience and good fortune hunting the used market. If you are already supporting rechargeable cells in NiMH perhaps you should confine your choice to AA based lights, or to whatever chemistry you currently are working with.

A search of this site using Google brings back a number of other threads with potentially helpful advice including:

Flashlight suggestion? Normal use AND airsoft (1 inch diameter)

No doubt there are a great many opinions on what makes a good weapon light for Airsoft or otherwise; some of the desirable features and attributes will be found lights other than SureFire and clones.
 
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I would be cautious about getting a light for airsoft.

Low light tactics require practice. powerful lights is a force multiplier. it can provide the user an advantage. However getting shot back is higher. Lights give away your position. There arent many lenses that will hold up to a point blank shot. You are best investing in SF. SF will replace the lens for free.
 
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