U2 with a McE2S switch for a lower level 1?

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I don't even have a U2 yet, and my brain is working overtime. Since there are many CPF contributors who have been slapped on the hand for writing about a product that they don't own, I am being very careful how I present my idea.

Sadly, I do not own a U2, but I do own two McE2S tailcap switches, one with a 15 ohm board for my less often used E1e body/KL4 combo, and the other with a 60 ohm resistor board for my more often used L4 body/KL4/PR-T-DB917/Aleph3 combos. I have been reading that a few of us think that level 1 of the U2, although stated to be 2 lumens, is still too bright. Ordinarily, there is nothing that could have been done about this. I was wondering if a McE2S switch placed inside a U2 tailcap, would be feasible. My L4 body/KL4 combo with the 60 ohm resistor board, has a very low output low level according to my dark adapted eyes in an almost pitch black room.

On the surface, I see no reason why such a dual level switch would not work with a U2 with some modification of the switch components. It is possible that the switch may not fit into the U2's tailcap with the spacers Don is currently using, and he may have to fashion a new spacer with a different outer diameter, while keeping the inner diameter the same. Also, I believe that the U2 battery tube's leading edge is wider than that of the E-series bodies, which is what Don designed the switches for. So if Don could fabricate resistor boards to mate with the U2 battery tube's leading edge, then there could be electrical connectivity between the switch and the battery tube.

Just think of the possibilities..... 12 different light levels in the palm of your hand. For momentary lighting, levels one through six would be accomplished with a light press of the button and rotation of the selection ring, and seven to twelve with a greater press of the button and rotation of the selection ring. If you want the light to "stay on" with levels one to six, turn the tailcap in until the light comes on and rotate the selection ring. For levels seven to twelve, turn the tailcap all the way in and rotate the selection ring.

Although the initial excitement of having a U2 in your very hand is still fresh, may I ask everybody to put on their thinking caps and figure this one out? This includes you, Don......

If I am thinking out of my rear end for either electrical or mechanical reasons, somebody please stop me before I get a big head!!!!!
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level 1?

luxlover,

Four reasons NOT to do this:

1. We need a twelve-stage light like we need a paper a..h...

2. We lose the lockout feature.

3. We lose the clickon/clickoff feature.

4. Since, if I read you correctly, the main reason would be to get a lower "low" position, why not just put an FM64 beamshaper filter on it. This would cut the light output and soften it to a beautiful flood. If you wanted to fine-tune the percentage of intensity output, just start putting layers of transluscent scotch tape inside the flip-up filter cover.
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

luxlover,
One of my first thoughts when I got my hands on the U2 was that I wanted a lower low than it provided. Heh, I have a two stage modded Classic size switch so I grabbed it immediately but discovered that it would require some more modification to make proper contact. Well before that, I tried the resistor to complete the circuit test to deterimine the target resistor value. No Joy. You want to talk about flicker!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif This combo makes the NexGen on a bad day look real good!
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

nice idea!
but to be frank, I am glad it didn't work out, so I do not have to ponder which method to use. I really appreciate the clicky in the U2 set-up.
bernhard

P.S.: which is the best beamshaper to use on the U2?
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

Any beamshaper fitting the L5 or M2 will fit the U2 if I am correct. Bernie, the one you are looking for would be the FM64 flipup beamshaper. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

kiessling,
Unless I missed your point, the only one that fits is the FM64 in the FM6x series. It also fits the M2, KL5, and KL3.

Hope this helps.
 
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Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

thanx guys! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
bernie
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

You're welcome...it'll cost you though /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

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Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

Don,
Thanks for not laughing your head off at my idea./ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif

If I understand you correctly, you took a resistor, jumped the negative battery terminal to the U2's body, and got all kinds of flicker? You had to remind me of the flicker of my TW4 combo with your switch? Is there some magic electronics in the tailcap, other than a clicky? A small value resistor by itself could not reduce current flow to a Luxeon enough to make it flicker, can it? So what is the prognosis of my idea as a result of the problem you found? Should I call a funeral director, or should I keep my fingers crossed hoping that with your "infinite wisdom", you will find the cause of the flicker and design a fix? Is there a place in the universe for a twelve level U2?
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

Flashdark,
1. I am sure that we don't "need" a twelve level, but if we were able to make it happen, those who would like the redundancy of light levels would be nicely accommodated. I don't need twelve levels either.
2. The lock-out feature can be achieved by unscrewing the bezel from the battery tube a tiny bit. I would imagine that 1/16 of a revolution would be enough.
3. I understand that some of us are strictly clicky enthusiasts. For those, my idea would not work.
4. Your filter and film ideas are good too.

I had an idea. I threw it out. Some of you threw it back. It may rest in peace if Don is not willing to do the modifications I mentioned in my opening post. I only ask that people have an open mind about anything suggested here. If it never materializes, I would not be upset, but would rather be proud of myself for trying. Carry on, U2 lovers.........
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

Luxlover,
Grab a resistor of low value and see what *you* get! Perhaps I did something wrong. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

Don,
I will have a U2 anyday now. So rest assured that the relentless side of my character will have me duplicate your test. I will do the test one better. I will use my Ohmite 50 ohm potentiometer as a variable resistor, and determine the value at which point the regulation circuit starts gasping for juice. When I see any flicker, I will measure that resistance with an ohmmeter, and post my finding. It sounds like you are puzzled about the flicker. I am sure that you introduced a small value resistance into the circuit when you did your test. I cannot imagine what could cause the malfunction.
 
Re: U2 with a McE2S switch..... for a lower level

Bernie,

Have faith, my German friend. It will come to pass, and if you wish, it will "pass you by" Mr. Clicky. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif
By the way, I am upset that after all the back and forth conversation (and drooling) about the U2 in the last eight months, you have yours and I have nothing. Whom do you know that I should know?

Enjoy it to the fullest!
 
Are there any bright young minds out there, willing to ponder the possibilities and pursue this issue further, despite Don's unexpected malfunction with his U2?
 
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