What do you do with old CR123a batteries?

mrmakochan

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I will only use brand new CR123 batteries in my Surefire 6P or Streamlight Scorpion. But once they've reached below 50% ~ 30% brightness I tend to swam them out for new batteries.

So now I have a box full of 50% ~ 70% spent CR123 batteries. Its a waste to recycle them away so I've kept them.

I realized that I could start using these for my bed-side light (3W Mini Cree from DX). It works our great since I only need 5 ~ 10 lumens (And I'm too poor to afford a Novatac 120p). I use up these batteries until they are completely spent.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4240

I guess any 1 x CR123a flashlight would work. Just make sure you don't mix these batteries up with your new ones.
 
get an E1L, quite a bit cheaper than the Novatac at 99 dollars, less from CPF dealers. The low level should suck the cells pretty dry. it will drain the cell better than the single level P1 that will shut down due to lack of power to maintain that one level, and the multi-level P1d is not that much less than the E1L.
 
I have enough 2xCR123 lights to outfit a small army. My Inova X5 will work with cells that won't cause my Surefire lights to light up.
 
Remember, keep your old (and new, for that matter) lithium batteries --- primary as well as rechargeable -- in a fireproof* box.

Ever had a battery leak, in your lifetime? They all do, eventually, you know.

This is an example of what happens when one lithium battery in a shipment ignites in a NON-fireproof box. This box was made of aluminum:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/US/02/08/ups.plane.fire/story.ups.plane.jpg

Dec 10, 2004 ... A single non-rechargeable lithium battery on fire within a cargo shipment ...
www.dot.gov/affairs/faa001.htm
 
Remember, keep your old (and new, for that matter) lithium batteries --- primary as well as rechargeable -- in a fireproof* box.

Ever had a battery leak, in your lifetime? They all do, eventually, you know.

This is an example of what happens when one lithium battery in a shipment ignites in a NON-fireproof box. This box was made of aluminum:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/US/02/08/ups.plane.fire/story.ups.plane.jpg

Dec 10, 2004 ... A single non-rechargeable lithium battery on fire within a cargo shipment ...
www.dot.gov/affairs/faa001.htm

I don't keep my cell phone or laptop in a fire proof box. So I don't see the point to keeping lithium batteries in one. I figure they are not any more likely to ignite if I take care in using them.
 
Forgot to mention, I throw my old CR123A's in the garbage. They are supposed to be safe (not cause any fires) when they are dead. Not that I use that many. I tend to drain them down all the way.
 
> I don't see the point to keeping lithium batteries in one.

Count them to estimate the total energy. Cell phone? One. Flashlight, two or three. Drawer with a handful or more of half-discharged primary cells? Lots.

One leak will ignite all of them; it's happened to others. You're careful with single batteries in chargers and with pairs of batteries in flashlights; a drawer full of partly discharged primary lithium cells warrants the same forethought.
 
hence why I make sure cells are respected and no fights should break out between them.

A happy environment is a safe environment. Any uncooperative cells are discarded regardless of their capacity or company.


I don't read to them, but boy what I do to make sure their happy will convince anyone with a psychology background to put me in an asylum. Sleeping on the floor and giving up the bed is one example:ohgeez:
 
I don't keep my cell phone or laptop in a fire proof box. So I don't see the point to keeping lithium batteries in one. I figure they are not any more likely to ignite if I take care in using them.


You can take care all you want, but that's not really the issue.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article2295743.ece


From The Times
August 21, 2007
Japanese experts demand change to make phones and laptops safe
Leo Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent

The fundamental technology behind the present generation of lithium-ion cells – the batteries that power nearly every laptop computer and mobile phone in the world – is inherently dangerous and must be changed to ensure safety, according to experts.

Masataka Wakihara, of the Tokyo Institute of Technology, who advises the Japanese Government on battery safety, told The Times that there must be changes to the way in which batteries are made if they are to be robust enough for everyday use.

His warnings were supported by comments from Kuniaki Tatsumi, head of the National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology's battery research group, who said that "companies are less cautious about designing batteries with a focus on safety".

At least two Japanese manufacturers are understood to be considering redesigns of their production lines as a result of Professor Wakihara's advice, but in general companies are expected to resist calls to overhaul their factories. Although the commercial production of lithium-ion batteries began in 1992, when Sony became the first to enter the market, most battery production lines are young and have required substantial investment already, hence the difficulty in persuading their owners that a small number of battery explosions merits an expensive change.

"Battery companies are still learning because the technology is young, but there is a fundamental flaw with the way lithium-ion batteries are currently designed and if the companies genuinely care about safety, they need to completely change their production methods. A lithium-ion battery is quite a dangerous little box of energy," Professor Wakihara said.

Last year Japanese companies produced around 60 per cent of the two billion lithium-ion batteries sold worldwide. Machines such as multi-function mobile phones, digital cameras and laptops equipped with processors large enough to cope with Microsoft's new Vista program place huge demands on the batteries. According to Professor Wakihara, the risks of not adopting an alternative technology are rising constantly because of the demands that modern devices in a "mobile device culture" place on their power source.

"Efforts have been mainly devoted to miniaturisation and boosting power output," Professor Tatsumi said.

The academics' concerns emerged after a series of safety problems at the world's three biggest battery manufacturers – Sony, Sanyo and, most recently, Matsushita (Panasonic), which has recalled 46 million mobile phone batteries made for Nokia after a handful of them burst into flames.

While the temptation has been to blame quality control at the factories where the batteries are made, Professor Wakihara said, the focus is wrong. ..."
 
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I take cells of all types, drain them as much as possible with various flashlights, then collect them in a large, clean peanut butter jar then drop them off at a recycling point coordinated by the New York State Office of General Services.
 
If they are in a 2x123 cell light I usually drain them in one of my Inova X5's, if they are singles I sometimes use them in my older SF E1L or Fenix P1 or just throw them out.
 
Oh, this is a slam dunk! In proper CPF fashion, I will point you to a light to drain those batteries. All you need to know is Inova X5. It is THE battery vampire. I bet those batteries could run an X5 a good 3hrs. The only thing is, it would be best to keep them in pairs, unless you buy a red led X5. Every flashoholic that uses 123A primaries needs at least one X5. It is a true classic.
 
How does the red X5 take only one battery, is it shorter? Or does the body have something like a dummy cell/spacer in there?
 

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