What is your primary defensive light and where do you carry it?

mercop

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Off duty my primary defensive light is the Surefire L2. For a long time I carried a Surefire E2E bezel down behind my spare magazine pouch just behind my reaction side pant seam.

I changed for several reasons.

1) When I drew the light in a hurry it could appear that I was a lefty drawing a pistol.
2) When I drew the light it would expose my magazine.
3) It was hard to get to when seated.
4) Even though it was bezel down I could not draw it with my thumb on the pressure switch from under a concealment garment because it was behind my seam.

Some of the reasons after much research I chose the L2.

1) Of all tactical lights it came the closest to the size of a traditional Kubaton or Yawara Bo of which I am so fond.
2) I like the heavy-duty plastic lanyard loop that is big enough to put parachute cord through to eliminate noise signatures. Using my Tactical Tether as a lanyard also allows me the ability to use it in a Koppo Stick configuration allow me to open and close the hand without dropping my light.
3) The duel output lamp that you would automatically push all the way under combat stress.
4) I love the long length of the pocket clip.

My L2 is carried bezel up in my reaction side rear pocket using the pocket clip and the end of the Tactical Tether hangs out the top to for even better purchase. During the draw the light is drawn by swinging my left hand back with my thumb towards the ground. I draw the light and spin it while iindexing the bezel on my hip to achieve my master grip. I like the light in this position since it is where my hands naturally hang and I don't have to break at the waist to draw.

Since I always carry a pistol the light is carried on my reaction side. It is also carried there when my primary weapon is a fixed blade knife. It is there to serve as a weapon support tool first and an impact weapon second. When for some reason I would have to give up all my "weapons" such as going into a secure area the light would be carried on the strong side in the same area since it now serves as a primary defensive weapon.

So what are you carrying and where are your carrying it and why?
 
well, if I know I have to go somewhere that might turn sour, I bring my D3. it now wears a G&P crenelated bezel from www.lighthound.com. I run a P91 on 2x17500. I have found that the protected tailcap can still deliver a decent shot, if well placed.

here is an old "shot"

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Good info Mercop. Not being LEO but sometimes going into a situation where I think I might want a light to help with possible defense I've often asked myself this question too. It has changed over the last couple years. I used to have an L2 and that was my choice at the time. I changed that out for an L4 with an E2D tailcap which was then my light of choice. Now I'm not too sure but I've been favoring the Gladius for it's options to start out with a very bright Strobe OR very focused very bright light. I've also been thinking about the Wolf-Eyes Rattlesnake with my upgraded bulb (400 Lumens) for pure blinding power as well as being fairly heavy and large enough to inflict some pain and ditto for the Scorpion R500 light. But I don't think I'd ever trust an incandescent as my only light since I feel you just never know when the filament in one is going to go 'poof'.
 
I am in and out of cars all day/night making contact with known felons. My 9P with P91 rides in an offside vest pocket. As I go from the car to the residence door, the light comes out in the offside hand and I usually cinch up the lanyard. This is done day or night. As I go back to the car, 9P goes back into the vest.

As I write this, my newly acquired Streamlight Ultra Stinger is taking it's first charge. For night time use, the Ultra Stinger is going to be the primary (Hey it's dark so I have a light!) with the 9P still going along for the ride.

Mercop, what's your opinion on weapon lights? This in the context of what I just described: making contact with folks/crooks on a day-in, day-out basis. Not in the context of building searches, "tactical" scenarios. (I'm not a cop.) Just in terms of being able to illuminate the threat as you shoot or are about to shoot. I've been told that mucho training is required to properly deploy a weapon light. Not sure I buy that. Thoughts?
 
Typically on duty it's my Streamlight Stinger, which I chose because being rechargeable it was cost effective, lifetime warranty, and would probably sting if I popped someone with it. I might update it to an LED model though.

In situations that warrant it, my primary light is attached to my primary weapon, a Streamlight TLR-1 that never leaves my Glock 17.

Off duty I dont typically have a light with me.
 
I don't understand not carrying a light off duty. As far as I know though I am the only one who carries a light off duty in my dept. Funny thing is all my students do:)

I do not use or advocate a light on my pistol. We are allowed though. I find most of the time they are used as a light with a gun attached instead of a gun with a light attached. I prefer the light in my reaction hand. They do have their place, but not so much for patrol IMHO unless you are K-9 of course.

On SWAT I either have an AR, MP-5, Breeching shotgun or breeching tools so it is not a real issue for me. Depends on what you are doing. Now that is clear as mud huh?
 
A2-HA-RD with a TID,mainly for the same reasons you carry your L2,plus I like the TID,makes me feel a little safer . .and as for weaponlights . . see the sig.
 
mercop said:
1) Of all tactical lights it came the closest to the size of a traditional Kubaton or Yawara Bo of which I am so fond.

4) I love the long length of the pocket clip.

So what are you carrying and where are your carrying it and why?

A picture is worth 1000 words. A 9 volt light body is the minimum size one can expect to use as a "kubotan"-like lighting tool. I realize a LEO may have superior training in using something smaller on pressure points. A Surefire D3 Defender has a decent clip, and the new 6PD bezel would fit. The Pelican M3 comes with a tailcap switch now IIRC, which negates using both ends for striking.

Paladin
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Illumination: Surefire A2
weapon: believe it or not...a set of eyeglass screwdrivers...Its not what I would want but its part of my EDC:ohgeez:

Method of carry: bezel up beside wallet [about the same thickness as the light] in right pocket

Usage: close ranges...night only...[in bright daylight a flashlight sucks]
 
In normal day to day tasks where I'm limited to not wearing a belt holster (pocket) I carr a Strion in my right leg pocket (carpenter jeans). I'd like it on my left, but my cell phone is there and I deemed that more important in a confrontation. If I'm holstered up I just transitioned to a SF E2E bezel up weak side behind my spare mag pouch, from a SL TL-2 in the same place. It's also setup with a "tiger ring" on a swivel for handgun manipulations.

One this to look into, if the L2 lanyard ring is the same as an A2, they aren't very strong. A friend of mine has a video online somewhere of him using a tiger ring setup doing a tap rack and his A2 went flying. The look on his face was priceless. Although if you train to stow the light before doing manipulations it's a moot point.
 
Gladius- it's my only light right now, but I got it with the possibility of SD in mind. I carry it in my left front pocket. It would fairly difficult to pull it out if I was completely surprised by an assailant. My primary weapon is my mind, I'm ready to fight for my life in a moments notice and wouldn't rely on my light or any other weapon, improvised or not, to save me. That being said, if I have a light that may be used to distract/impair someone's vision and/or use as an impact weapon, then great. I keep a knife on me which I would most likely not use in an SD situation. I'm confident enough in myself to attack an assailant with 100% if my saftey is threatened.

When I'm in the bad areas (I'm from Oakland, CA) my awareness goes up. It's saved me plenty of times. There have been times when I've had to attack the assailant(s) to protect myself and times where I was able to get out of the situation without getting physical. I only have my training, awareness and common sense to thank for those times.
 
I don't have a CCW so I can't carry my glock. I do have my Surefire M3 as my defensive light and or my Mag 85 just because its a bright beating stick. While out, my M3 is just in my pants pocket. But at home, I have my Glock close by and my M3. Which is good because my mother in law just called and the convenience store a block away just got robbed. Hope the guy doesn't show up here, 30 rounds of .40 caliber hollowpoints ready to go.


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SureFire Kroma, on my weak side. I carry it weak side to use it as I draw my primary weapon.

I have a rubber O-ring under the clip that I use to grab the light, and also as a sort of a lanyard. I poke my pointer finger through the O-ring so that I can hold the light naturally with my thumb on the button. I can flip the light over to the back of my hand for doing two-handed tasks.

I like the low red and immediately accessible bright white, but this light has some issues I am not real fond of. I am looking for a better light. The L2 I think is a leading contender, as is my Gladius. The red A2 is in the running too.

Mercop: I take off the SureFire lanyard attachment altogether and tie some archery release rope around the spot where the attachment was, on my non-Kroma lights. Then I clip the lanyard to that. You have to rely on the lanyard itself for a safe breakaway, but it is 1) very quiet and 2) the cord "spins" freely around the light.

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Scott

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Good info guys.

Paladin, I just designed a custom fighting knife to be make by Joel Bukewicz and named it the Paladin. You might want one:)
 
A black HAIII Sure-Fire E2E bezel up with McGizmo slate black McClicky.

Modded with fivemega's strion bulb socket and one of AW's new 17670's charged by his new smart charger.

Now I have it all. Light, small, powerful, reliable and rechargeable.

I've carried E2E's in this fashion for many, many years now. I haven't found a light anywhere that I like better for EDC than Sure-Fire's E2E and believe me I've looked.

I've tried lots of different things, but I always come back to the E2E.
 

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