Which Surefire did I just buy?

[shane1]

I just bought and older Surefire Incandecent in excellent condition. It is a 4 cell model and the lumen output has to be around 4-500. Can someone please tell me which model it is and how much it may be worth?

Here are some crappy laptop pics.

shane

 

[Tempest UK]

It's a SureFire 12ZM with what looks like an SRTH (Short Rim TurboHead). It appears to be missing the rubber grip rings used to facilitate its use in conjunction with a firearm.

Long since out of production and quite scarce. Very bright, as you have seen, but it will burn through batteries at a rather alarming rate!

An excellent piece of SureFire history. The TurboHead in particular is amazing. Quite different to either the Millennium TurboHead or the KT TurboHeads.

Regards,
Tempest

 

[socom1970]

I believe that is a SF 12Z with the SRTH 2.5" turbohead. It is missing the two rubber spacers and rubber grip-ring for the narrow part of the body. It was replaced by the M4 Combatlight. Depending on condition, they can go for 250.00 to 500.00+ for a perfect, mint condition light.

 

[shane1]

Thanks for the replies. This one is in great shape for its age, it looks almost new. I will probably be selling it though to pay for some new lights incoming.

shane

 

[Outdoors Fanatic]

That's an outdated model, just send it to me that I'll hook you up with something better. :naughty:

Cheers.
:lolsign:

 

[shane1]

That's an outdated model, just send it to me that I'll hook you up with something better. :naughty:

Cheers.
:lolsign:

What a generous offer! I would only be interested in super high end lights such as Garrity, Dorcy, Black & Decker, Coleman or similar.

shane

 

[Dioni]

nice 12Z!

 

[Illum]

What a generous offer! I would only be interested in super high end lights such as Garrity, Dorcy, Black & Decker, Coleman or similar.

shane

depending on the condition and price its not impossible to trade for some thing much higher

 

[Justin Case]

What does the tailcap say? 12Z or 12ZM? I would expect 12ZM considering the presence of a TH (it does look like the Short Rim TurboHead -- if so, there should be no threads on the inside of the rim next to the Lexan window). If it had just a regular bezel, then I'd expect 12Z.

My three 12ZMs all have three rubber spacers standard (not two), plus the flared grip ring.

 

[cenz]

...If it had just a regular bezel, then I'd expect 12Z.

Hi,

As you said, the regular bezel as T62 turbohead? or D26 bezel?

off topic,
I heard different models that was 12ZM,12Z and 12PM, but I have never seen "12P" on the tailcap everywhere, is it a real model from SF?

 

[mdhammack]

What a generous offer! I would only be interested in super high end lights such as Garrity, Dorcy, Black & Decker, Coleman or similar.

shane

if you wanna take a stroll on the wild side and try something even better, I have a couple of mini maglites I would "consider" for trade :thumbsup:

BTW, one of them is mint! lol

 

[liteitup]

i have a NIB garrity flashlight im willing to trade, plus cash from your end. this is the light that the fire firefighters are wearing on their helmets in the checkout line at a fine retailer near you. Top quality. Firefighter tested, firefighter approved!!! let me know..

This is a new model with the GLOW IN THE DARK SWITCH!!! What good is a flashlight in the dark if you cant see the switch to turn it on??? does your fancy surefire have that??? didnt think so.

Nevermind after reconsidering i dont want to let this go...


lol..

 

[Justin Case]

Hi,

As you said, the regular bezel as T62 turbohead? or D26 bezel?

off topic,
I heard different models that was 12ZM,12Z and 12PM, but I have never seen "12P" on the tailcap everywhere, is it a real model from SF?

I would assume there is a real 12P (since there is a real 12Z), but I didn't mention anything about such a model in my post. Here is an ad for a 12Z. The stock bezel for the 12Z in the linked ad looks like the one on my old 6Z bezel (completely smooth without even the vertical knurling lines).

The stock TH for the 12ZM/12PM was supposedly the T-62, also known as the threaded rim TurboHead (TRTH). I have two 12ZMs with TRTHs. Some 12ZMs and 12PMs apparently came from SF with the SRTH, perhaps based on available parts. I have one of these as well. Others SRTH-equipped models probably came from Lagger Pro.

If the OP's light is a 12Z, the tailcap should say so. If it is a 12ZM, that should be indicated. Obviously, one can easily convert a 12Z into a 12ZM by simply swapping the bezel. Whether that would matter to a buyer might depend on the price and expectation for authenticity.

 

[cenz]

I would assume there is a real 12P (since there is a real 12Z), but I didn't mention anything about such a model in my post. Here is an ad for a 12Z. The stock bezel for the 12Z in the linked ad looks like the one on my old 6Z bezel (completely smooth without even the vertical knurling lines).

The stock TH for the 12ZM/12PM was supposedly the T-62, also known as the threaded rim TurboHead (TRTH). I have two 12ZMs with TRTHs. Some 12ZMs and 12PMs apparently came from SF with the SRTH, perhaps based on available parts. I have one of these as well. Others SRTH-equipped models probably came from Lagger Pro.

If the OP's light is a 12Z, the tailcap should say so. If it is a 12ZM, that should be indicated. Obviously, one can easily convert a 12Z into a 12ZM by simply swapping the bezel. Whether that would matter to a buyer might depend on the price and expectation for authenticity.

Thanks your information,

Also, my fashaholic friend said there is a SF vintage model : "12P" style body plus D26 bezel...
I don't know what model is, but I'm interest in what the "big" LA is, P120? 500lumens?

I believe SF made secret models for sell a very short period..

 

[Size15's]

Please clarify which Lamp Assembly is used by the 12Z with the 1.25" diameter '6P' bezel.

I am not aware SureFire ever made such a combination nor a Lamp Assembly for it.

There is no difference between the 12Z and the 12ZM (or 12P and the 12PM) that I'm aware of other than the laser etching on the TailCap.

The T-62 TurboHead (TRTH) with it's threaded rim was a short-lived production since it was made for a specific group of people and no screw-in BeamFilters were ever released [so there was no need for it].

The SRTH TurboHead was supplied on 12ZM/12PM models once the batch of TRTH's ran out. By itself the SRTH was exclusively available through SureFire Dealer Lagger Pro. I am not aware of the T-Series 3" diameter Extended Range TurboHeads ever being supplied with it (although I have this combination and the N62 lamp produces a great beam from it!)

When it comes to using (or even storing batteries in) a 12ZM/12PM etc the most important thing I urge is to replace the stock TailCap with a Z41-BK LockOut TailCap. Quite apart from not wanting to waste battery juice accidental activation could result in a whole world of damage.

Of course the N62 Lamp Assembly sucks the life out of batteries like no other bulb. This is the flashlight to be damn sure you are using genuine SureFire SF123A or Duracell DL123A batteries all fresh and new and from the same batch, that are dry and undamaged. It just isn't worth cutting corners.

I get usually two constant-on 2-3 minute runs until thermal shutdown out of a set after which they just don't have the power to show off the N62's beam.

 

[BSBG]

Please clarify which Lamp Assembly is used by the 12Z with the 1.25" diameter '6P' bezel.

I am not aware SureFire ever made such a combination nor a Lamp Assembly for it.

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I concur with Al - I never knew a 'small head' 12x was available from SF. I had a 12Z and it was awesome (for a few minutes at least). Wish I still had it.

 

[Size15's]

donn_ says in his MP thread

I have four 12Z tubes. One came with no bezel, one with a D26 (with no lamp assembly), one with an SRTH and one with a TRTH. This one was sold with a D26, SRTH and T3.

So unless somebody surprises me, I am certain the 12Z is the same as the 12ZM.

As for why the addition of the "M"... I suppose because the 12P and 12Z are different from the 3P/6/6R/9P, 6Z/7Z/9Z that all share the same 1.25" standard bezel.

I think it's pretty deceptive not be explicit about what is being sold. At the very least be clear about the lack of lamp assemblies.

The T3 TurboHead Kit is specific to the 9N only. I think Donn_ means T-Series TurboHead.

BTW, a T-62 is the TurboHead (most likely SRTH) with N62 Lamp.

 

[Justin Case]

Size15's, concur. I was under the mistaken impression from that CPF MP ad that the 12Z for sale came stock with a 1.25" bezel and thus apparently had some mysterious P120-type lamp assembly. Apparently, that is not the case. Like you, I also find this deceptive.