Business owners : Getting business license in CA

Arkayne

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I'm thinking about starting a home business doing computer repair and maybe selling items online. I'm browsing the state site and want to confirm with you guys that I need all of the following:

-Business License - Business Tax Certificate
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Electronics Repair License
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Sales & Use Permit (Seller's Permit)
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State Income Tax Information

Does this sound right?
 

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Started mine about ten years ago and needed the state resellers permit as well as a city business license. Those are the only two ongoing docs I'm required to hold. The electronics repair permit sounds logical (is that a state requirement?) but I'm not sure what the State Income Tax Information would be.
 

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You need two licenses and a permit to earn a living, but you need none to cash welfare checks. What has happened to my country and how did it happen?
 

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You need two licenses and a permit to earn a living, but you need none to cash welfare checks. What has happened to my country and how did it happen?
I was thinking the same thing.

Anyway, I don't know about California but here in NY I've been filing Schedule C as an independent contractor. No need for me to incorporate, or get any type of permit. In fact, individuals in NYS can't get a sales and use permit any more because the privilege was abused. The sales and use permit is good if you purchase a lot of your supplies at local stores and online retailers with a presence in your state. Otherwise, if you purchase most of your supplies online from places that don't collect sales tax anyway, it's not really necessary. At worst, without the permit you'll occasionally have to pay sales tax you otherwise would be exempt from. You also don't need to collect sales tax if you're only dealing with resellers. The larger and more "official" your business is, the more you need to be in compliance with state and local laws. If you plan to open some sort of brick and mortar store, then definitely research what you need to have. If you'll just be doing a few thousand a year in business in your garage, don't bother as you're not on anybody's radar. Just file your schedule C and you should be OK.

Of course, if the permits are easy to file for, and the fees involved are modest, then you may as well have them. However, last I checked California charged $900 minimum annually for a corporation, regardless of how little profit the corporation made.
 

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You don't need to incorporate, but if you plan to make a whole bunch of money it may be worth it. A business license is issued locally. Mine was (IIRC) aout $35.

I also needed to file for a ficticious business name, since my business name was not a derivation of my real name. That was another $100 or so.

The yearly fee for my business license is pro-rated based on earnings.


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Thx for the info. Right now I'll probably be doing a few thousand from the garage so hopefully that keeps things simple. I'm going to head downtown sometime next week and do the paperwork.
 

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If you'll just be doing a few thousand a year in business in your garage, don't bother as you're not on anybody's radar.

You might luck out and slip by however there are private contractors who specialize in finding just such operations. Municipalities across the country contract with them to recover lost sales tax and other monies. These businesses routinely scan and cross check various data bases and are extremely effective at sniffing out stealth business operations. I only know this because a relative created the first such agency and tried to recruit me as one of his foot soldiers. He was so successful that the business he founded on his living room couch was purchased buy a large national corporation for about 35 million dollars. I'd stay as legal as possible and sleep soundly.
 

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You might luck out and slip by however there are private contractors who specialize in finding just such operations. Municipalities across the country contract with them to recover lost sales tax and other monies. These businesses routinely scan and cross check various data bases and are extremely effective at sniffing out stealth business operations. I only know this because a relative created the first such agency and tried to recruit me as one of his foot soldiers. He was so successful that the business he founded on his living room couch was purchased buy a large national corporation for about 35 million dollars. I'd stay as legal as possible and sleep soundly.
It doesn't matter in my case-there are no special permits or anything else I need other than filing Schedule C each year. I'm already as legal as I can be for what I'm doing, which honestly isn't much. I'm not handling hazardous materials, food, dealing with the general public, or doing anything else subject to a plethora of regulations. Even as a corporation the only thing I remember being bothered for that I didn't know about was some kind of biennial state fee of a few tens of dollars every other year. California seems to have really restrictive business laws compared most other places, even New York. I remember that from when I researched this stuff in the early 1990s. NYS just has a lot of taxes. There is a form for NYC unicorporated business tax but that only applies if you make more than $75,000 annually-obviously not applicable to me, nor would it likely be at any time in the foreseeable future. In fact, I unincorporated precisely because the benefits (i.e. mostly avoiding Social Security tax but there were a few others) were worth less than the extra expense, paperwork, and showing up on more radar screens. On another note, the minute I have to jump through a million hoops, or pay hundreds annually in permit fees, just to make the small amount I do I'll stop doing it entirely, and apply for welfare.

I also think your friend's business mostly sniffs out the medium size businesses making perhaps the equivalent of a good salary, but still small enough to mostly stay off the radar (think eBay businesses selling perhaps a few hundred thousand a year). The government can recover large amounts of money from those relative to the effort they put in. A few thousand a year business on the other hand, at best you'll get a couple of hundred in self-employment tax. You're not even near the threshold where the regular income taxes kick in. Very little to recover even if there is wrongdoing, and often the person is too broke to pay anything even if they catch up with him/her.

BTW, what on earth is the purpose of a fictitious business name as gadget_lover mentioned? I had to pick one when I was a corporation even though my corporation had a real name which I used for business purposes. I never used the fictitious name, nor really saw any reason for it. However, NYS seems to have sold the name to advertisers because I've gotten a lot of junk mail with the fictitious business name until it more or less stopped a few years ago. The name the advertisers used could only have come from NYS since I never once used the fictitious name in any way, shape, or form. I still have all the junk they sent me just in case I find a good lawyer. Can I sue them for selling my info like that? I can tell you that the first time I saw junk mail with the fictitious name there was steam coming out of my ears. :mad:

To the OP:

Thinking about this topic some more, an electronics repair license sounds like something a TV or computer repair shop dealing with the general public might need, not a guy working out of his garage by word of mouth. Let us know what you find out. I'd honestly be really surprised if you had to have anything on your list for what you plan to do.
 

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I couple of thousand dollars a year falls under the IRS rules of 'hobby' business. Don't waste your time filing paperwork. Unless someone 1099's you, you won't even have to file taxes.
 

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Not hard at all here in San Diego. You can go on the city's website and get the info. www.sandiego.gov and click on the appropriate links and you'll find all the info you need. When you go register your business they even have handouts on how to advertise your ficticious name, etc. and many of the newspapers will forward the info on to the City automatically.

If you're in a different city (Chula Vista, etc.) you'll need to go down to their City Hall. They probably have info on the web as well, though.



Thx for the info. Right now I'll probably be doing a few thousand from the garage so hopefully that keeps things simple. I'm going to head downtown sometime next week and do the paperwork.
 

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I couple of thousand dollars a year falls under the IRS rules of 'hobby' business. Don't waste your time filing paperwork. Unless someone 1099's you, you won't even have to file taxes.
Arkayne, make sure you talk with your accountant/tax preparer and double check. Things may be vary by state and you have to deal with federal and income rules. Where I'm at, ALL income is taxable.
 

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I also think your friend's business mostly sniffs out the medium size businesses making perhaps the equivalent of a good salary, but still small enough to mostly stay off the radar (think eBay businesses selling perhaps a few hundred thousand a year).

jtr1962, I posted that was because specifically targeted were very small businesses - those that were not cost effective for a city government to to chase, but highly profitable for a specialist when found in quantity. One reason I didn't work for my relative - I didn't like going to people homes and harassing them.

BTW, anyone making a few hundred thousand in sales annually is probably on somebody's radar.
 

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jtr1962, I posted that was because specifically targeted were very small businesses - those that were not cost effective for a city government to to chase, but highly profitable for a specialist when found in quantity. One reason I didn't work for my relative - I didn't like going to people homes and harassing them.

BTW, anyone making a few hundred thousand in sales annually is probably on somebody's radar.
Thanks for the heads up, but as I said, as far as I know, I'm as in compliance with the law as I can be. :thumbsup: The fact that I've been doing this for a long while now and not received any nasty letters from government agencies is probably proof of that.
 
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