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Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
Bucky on 12-31-2010 06:11 AM GMT
My predictions for the EDC Clicky II are the ability to tailstand consistently without any user modification and the removal of the holes for the original clip attachment--along with brighter emitters of course.
Written by
Harry999 on 12-31-2010 07:18 AM GMT
I am really looking forward to the new lights. It will be interesting to see what the EDC Clicky II looks like as well as this new light.
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Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
JWRitchie76 on 12-31-2010 10:11 AM GMT
Just remember if they "look" the same as the previous model it's what's on the inside that counts!
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
JWRitchie76 on 12-31-2010 10:19 AM GMT
Henry,
I just wanted to take this time to say a public "Thank You". Your lights have kept me safe and helped me find many problems that arise during the twilight hours on the railroad. My modded Clicky just last night got a real workout. I was having some real head scratching problems with my signal systems and spent the better half of last night trouble shooting. 1 RCR and 2 primaries later I found the "needle in the haystack" and made it back home safely to my family. I bought my first HDS lights earlier in 2010 and haven't looked back. They truly are the best lighting tools IMO. I look forward to your new creations and deploying them in the field as often as needed!
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
jslappa on 12-31-2010 12:41 PM GMT
JWRitchie76 said:
Just remember if they "look" the same as the previous model it's what's on the inside that counts!
And whatever form factor the new light takes, the inside will definitely be different! And whatever form factor the new light takes, the inside will definitely be different!
Networked multi-processor controller supporting advanced UIs
Customizable rotary dimmer control system
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
freq18hz on 12-31-2010 12:49 PM GMT
I don't know anything about HDS lights really, or lights in general. I only know what I like, and I think I have decent (but not super anal) tastes. After talking to Henry yesterday on the phone and hearing about these new lights, I am incredibly excited to see what is coming out. I can't wait to grab one of these. The only thing I'm not looking forward to is the possibility that I may have to wait a long while, since I'm sure they will be spoken for immediately.
-Freq
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
jslappa on 12-31-2010 12:59 PM GMT
Well the nice thing is Henry has said we will see the new lights at his dealers first. So you've got a fighting chance. For your convenience, here is a list of the dealers that I am aware of in the US who should carry the new lights next month.
batterystation.com
goinggear.com
oveready.com
preparationhq.com
tacticalleds.com
thorshammercustomleather.com
txtacticalsource.com
uniqutitanium.com
See if any of these dealers will be offering preorders.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
SuperTrouper on 01-02-2011 03:31 AM GMT
I purchased a HDS Clicky exec 140, which arrived a few days ago and I started playing with it soon after. It's really given me a dilemma over what to pocket EDC now...
I'm really a big fan of Surefire lights, and whilst many other manufacturers have made more pocketable lights, I liked carrying a Surefire E-series 2 cell light for it's long runtime and high output.
I'd never been a fan of all these lights with loads of modes like the Fenix PD/LD series and the Quark regulars. I liked the knowledge that my lights were of a good pedigree of reliability.
The trouble is now, I'm conflicted. I've been enjoying using the clicky quite a bit. It's an addictive little light. For some reason, the pictures I'd seen on the Clicky collection thread and in these thread series about the clicky, seemed to make it look much larger to me, so when this small, compact, smooth light arrived with no sharp bits to snag hands/pockets on and it just disappears into a pocket when not in use I have been surprised.
What also surprised me was the feel of the electronic switch compared to mechanical clickies I'm used to. The electronic switch makes the mechanical clickies feel primitive and noisy by comparison. As I've not really felt the difference before the alternative switch type wasn't something that'd caught my attention before but it leads me to wonder, are these switches good for as many clicks as a mechanical clicky? Have they any history of failure?
It seems to be the holy grail, an easily pocketable light with over 100 lumens, 4 programmable preset levels, and a great UI to quickly access any of them, and it seems to be very well made. There are plenty of stories of the HDS lights ruggedness and reliability so I'm torn between carrying a Surefire and another brand for the first time!
Something that still eludes me though. There's good documentation that comes with the light on programming it and all the different levels available. However I can't seem to find any approximate runtimes for anything other than the high level.
For EDC use I like knowing how long running a light I have in my pocket for extended needs, how much runtime I have with the spare batteries I carry, and by and large I find myself using modes much dimmer than the brightest mode so it would be nice to get an idea of runtimes at different levels on a standard primary cell.
Does anyone know where I might find this information, assuming it's out there?
Thanks all and Thanks to Henry if you're reading this, for making such an innovative, rugged product!
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
Belstaff1464 on 01-02-2011 05:05 AM GMT
SuperTrouper said:
I purchased a HDS Clicky exec 140, which arrived a few days ago and I started playing with it soon after. It's really given me a dilemma over what to pocket EDC now...
I'm really a big fan of Surefire lights, and whilst many other manufacturers have made more pocketable lights, I liked carrying a Surefire E-series 2 cell light for it's long runtime and high output.
I'd never been a fan of all these lights with loads of modes like the Fenix PD/LD series and the Quark regulars. I liked the knowledge that my lights were of a good pedigree of reliability.
The trouble is now, I'm conflicted. I've been enjoying using the clicky quite a bit. It's an addictive little light. For some reason, the pictures I'd seen on the Clicky collection thread and in these thread series about the clicky, seemed to make it look much larger to me, so when this small, compact, smooth light arrived with no sharp bits to snag hands/pockets on and it just disappears into a pocket when not in use I have been surprised.
What also surprised me was the feel of the electronic switch compared to mechanical clickies I'm used to. The electronic switch makes the mechanical clickies feel primitive and noisy by comparison. As I've not really felt the difference before the alternative switch type wasn't something that'd caught my attention before but it leads me to wonder, are these switches good for as many clicks as a mechanical clicky? Have they any history of failure?
It seems to be the holy grail, an easily pocketable light with over 100 lumens, 4 programmable preset levels, and a great UI to quickly access any of them, and it seems to be very well made. There are plenty of stories of the HDS lights ruggedness and reliability so I'm torn between carrying a Surefire and another brand for the first time!
Something that still eludes me though. There's good documentation that comes with the light on programming it and all the different levels available. However I can't seem to find any approximate runtimes for anything other than the high level.
For EDC use I like knowing how long running a light I have in my pocket for extended needs, how much runtime I have with the spare batteries I carry, and by and large I find myself using modes much dimmer than the brightest mode so it would be nice to get an idea of runtimes at different levels on a standard primary cell.
Does anyone know where I might find this information, assuming it's out there?
Thanks all and Thanks to Henry if you're reading this, for making such an innovative, rugged product!
Check out Check out
this review for runtime info for the 140 narrow. According to their runtime figures, you can expect around 24hrs on med and 8.5 hrs on med high using primaries, or 9.5hrs for med and 3.5 hrs on med high using a RCR123. Keep in mind that the 170T will be even more efficient and have longer runtimes !!!
If you're thrilled with the current model, imagine what the updated Clicky and the new light will be like !!!
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
twl on 01-02-2011 07:36 AM GMT
Yes, they are amazing lights.
I have had my older model, for about 5 years or more, and it's still as good as new. I carry it in a nylon holster inside my pocket, so it doesn't get beat-up, and it still looks new.
However,LEDs have progressed, and now my U60GT seems a little underpowered compared to the current crop of lights.
But, it is still a super nice 60 lumens with great tint, and that is all I would need for most of my EDC activities anyway. The runtimes are a bit shorter than the newest models too, because of the less efficient older LED technology.
I decided long ago that I wouldn't upgrade this light to a newer model until there was one with at least 3x more output level on Max.
We are reaching that point now, so I am seeing a new HDS in my near future. I will keep my old U60GT as a back-up. It's too good to sell it off. For tasks needing 60 lumens or less, it is as good as ever was, which is very good indeed.
I use HDS for my pocket-size light, and Malkoff for my mid-size lights.
I am an flashlight heaven!
Edited to add:
However, I am really smitten by the Spy Tri-V, if I could ever get enough money to afford that. That is a very cool light that I would like to have if I was rich.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
SuperTrouper on 01-02-2011 07:57 AM GMT
Belstaff1464 said:
Check out
this review for runtime info for the 140 narrow. According to their runtime figures, you can expect around 24hrs on med and 8.5 hrs on med high using primaries, or 9.5hrs for med and 3.5 hrs on med high using a RCR123. Keep in mind that the 170T will be even more efficient and have longer runtimes !!!
If you're thrilled with the current model, imagine what the updated Clicky and the new light will be like !!!
Thanks for the link, that's an interesting review. I didn't know the Clicky came with other emitters, maybe I should have been more specific. My clicky has an SSC P4 emitter which is quite cool, any ideas if this is more or less efficient than the golden dragon emitter? Thanks for the link, that's an interesting review. I didn't know the Clicky came with other emitters, maybe I should have been more specific. My clicky has an SSC P4 emitter which is quite cool, any ideas if this is more or less efficient than the golden dragon emitter?
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
jellydonut on 01-02-2011 07:59 AM GMT
SuperTrouper said:
I purchased a HDS Clicky exec 140, which arrived a few days ago and I started playing with it soon after. It's really given me a dilemma over what to pocket EDC now...
I'm really a big fan of Surefire lights, and whilst many other manufacturers have made more pocketable lights, I liked carrying a Surefire E-series 2 cell light for it's long runtime and high output.
I'd never been a fan of all these lights with loads of modes like the Fenix PD/LD series and the Quark regulars. I liked the knowledge that my lights were of a good pedigree of reliability.
The trouble is now, I'm conflicted. I've been enjoying using the clicky quite a bit. It's an addictive little light. For some reason, the pictures I'd seen on the Clicky collection thread and in these thread series about the clicky, seemed to make it look much larger to me, so when this small, compact, smooth light arrived with no sharp bits to snag hands/pockets on and it just disappears into a pocket when not in use I have been surprised.
What also surprised me was the feel of the electronic switch compared to mechanical clickies I'm used to. The electronic switch makes the mechanical clickies feel primitive and noisy by comparison. As I've not really felt the difference before the alternative switch type wasn't something that'd caught my attention before but it leads me to wonder, are these switches good for as many clicks as a mechanical clicky? Have they any history of failure?
It seems to be the holy grail, an easily pocketable light with over 100 lumens, 4 programmable preset levels, and a great UI to quickly access any of them, and it seems to be very well made. There are plenty of stories of the HDS lights ruggedness and reliability so I'm torn between carrying a Surefire and another brand for the first time!
Something that still eludes me though. There's good documentation that comes with the light on programming it and all the different levels available. However I can't seem to find any approximate runtimes for anything other than the high level.
For EDC use I like knowing how long running a light I have in my pocket for extended needs, how much runtime I have with the spare batteries I carry, and by and large I find myself using modes much dimmer than the brightest mode so it would be nice to get an idea of runtimes at different levels on a standard primary cell.
Does anyone know where I might find this information, assuming it's out there?
Thanks all and Thanks to Henry if you're reading this, for making such an innovative, rugged product!
Pretty sure electronic click switches have a longer lifetime than mechanical switches because they merely activate a circuit with a small control current, rather than conducting the high drive current themselves. Pretty sure electronic click switches have a longer lifetime than mechanical switches because they merely activate a circuit with a small control current, rather than conducting the high drive current themselves.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
John_Galt on 01-02-2011 08:59 AM GMT
SuperTrouper said:
SNIP
What also surprised me was the feel of the electronic switch compared to mechanical clickies I'm used to. The electronic switch makes the mechanical clickies feel primitive and noisy by comparison. As I've not really felt the difference before the alternative switch type wasn't something that'd caught my attention before but it leads me to wonder, are these switches good for as many clicks as a mechanical clicky? Have they any history of failure?
SNIP
IIRC, Henry posted a few threads back something along the lines of "the electronic switch is guaranteed by its manufacturer for ~1 million clicks." IIRC, Henry posted a few threads back something along the lines of "the electronic switch is guaranteed by its manufacturer for ~1 million clicks."
It might have only been a few hundred thousand, or something... Still long enough that you basically don't have to worry about it.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
Belstaff1464 on 01-02-2011 04:58 PM GMT
SuperTrouper said:
Thanks for the link, that's an interesting review. I didn't know the Clicky came with other emitters, maybe I should have been more specific. My clicky has an SSC P4 emitter which is quite cool, any ideas if this is more or less efficient than the golden dragon emitter?
Sorry......I don't know if there is a huge difference in runtimes between 140 Wide (SSC) and the 140 Narrow (GD). I would say the GD's would be more efficient but I'd just be guessing.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
Cavannus on 01-02-2011 09:42 PM GMT
Hi, here's a new member in the Ra user family! :wave:
Back from holiday this afternoon, I've just received my Clicky 140 GT and played with it. I've already changed a lot of settings, "definitively" (i.e. until next change
) or for a couple of minutes just for testing.
I really love this lamp that matches my expectations: it looks rugged and reliable, it is fully programmable, it is bright, perfectly regulated, etc. There's a significant difference between this Ra and the other flashlights I could use until now. Furthermore I like the P4 emitter tint & beam.
The UI is first not intuitive and somewhat complex... but I find it logical (so easy to learn) and quite efficient!
However I've been surprised to find a few major scratches on the stainless steel bezel that I immediately saw when unpacking my lamp (plus some minor scratches).
This is not an issue per se for me since I'll use my Ra for caving, etc. (and probably get a lot of more scratches), but I'd simply know whether I'm unlucky, or this is normal (due to manufacturing conditions or processes), or this is actually a second-hand bezel, or a old stock because the lamp will no longer be released...
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
shado on 01-02-2011 09:51 PM GMT
It looks like Orange is now available,
Body Material and Color
Select the flashlight's body materials and colors.
(Excluded by LED) Silver bezel with black body Details...
(Excluded by LED) Black bezel with black body [Add $10.00] Details...
Orange bezel with orange body [Add $55.00] Details...
How long has this been an option?
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
jslappa on 01-02-2011 09:58 PM GMT
Just the orange has been available for a few days now.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
pjandyho on 01-02-2011 10:21 PM GMT
Cavannus said:
Hi, here's a new member in the Ra user family! :wave:
Back from holiday this afternoon, I've just received my Clicky 140 GT and played with it. I've already changed a lot of settings, "definitively" (i.e. until next change
) or for a couple of minutes just for testing.
I really love this lamp that matches my expectations: it looks rugged and reliable, it is fully programmable, it is bright, perfectly regulated, etc. There's a significant difference between this Ra and the other flashlights I could use until now. Furthermore I like P4 emitter tint & beam.
The UI is first not intuitive and somewhat complex... but I find it logical (so easy to learn) and quite efficient!
However I've been surprised to find a few major scratches on the stainless steel bezel that I immediately saw when unpacking my lamp (plus some minor scratches).
This is not a big deal per se for me since I'll use my Ra for caving, etc. (and probably get a lot of more scratches), but I'd simply know whether I'm unlucky, or this is normal (due to manufacturing conditions or processes), or this is actually a second-hand bezel, or a old stock because the lamp will no longer be released...
Welcome to the family! HDS lights are made for practical and tough usage and cosmetic finishing has never been a concern when manufacturing a HDS light. My 140 GT has a long scratch across the body tube when I first received it. It could have been perfect when it first came but then it's not. I would be lying if I said I wasn't bothered about the scratch initially but then it seems to reinforce the fact that this light was made to be used and not intended to be a shelf-queen. Hope that's a good enough consolation for you. Welcome to the family! HDS lights are made for practical and tough usage and cosmetic finishing has never been a concern when manufacturing a HDS light. My 140 GT has a long scratch across the body tube when I first received it. It could have been perfect when it first came but then it's not. I would be lying if I said I wasn't bothered about the scratch initially but then it seems to reinforce the fact that this light was made to be used and not intended to be a shelf-queen. Hope that's a good enough consolation for you.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
Cavannus on 01-02-2011 10:37 PM GMT
pjandyho said:
[...] Hope that's a good enough consolation for you.
Yes it is, thank! Yes it is, thank!
On one hand I've seen here & there so many great pictures of mint Ras, on the other hand I know Henry is a caver (and I have a 1999/2000's Action Light that proves his expertise on rugged lamps), so I was really confused.
Now I know that my Ra is intended for what I bought it for: caving, exploration, etc. Your "long scratch" reassures me!
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
pjandyho on 01-02-2011 11:35 PM GMT
Cavannus said:
Yes it is, thank!
On one hand I've seen here & there so many great pictures of mint Ras, on the other hand I know Henry is a caver (and I have a 1999/2000's Action Light that proves his expertise on rugged lamps), so I was really confused.
Now I know that my Ra is intended for what I bought it for: caving, exploration, etc. Your "long scratch" reassures me!
Good. Wish you all the best with your HDS light! And stay safe in the cave. Good. Wish you all the best with your HDS light! And stay safe in the cave.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
CaNo on 01-03-2011 01:13 AM GMT
It has been a while since I had checked on this thread, but did I just see that Henry is coming out with the new clicky this or next month at shot show? Is this the clicky with the new and improved UI?
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
the.Mtn.Man on 01-03-2011 04:34 AM GMT
John_Galt said:
IIRC, Henry posted a few threads back something along the lines of "the electronic switch is guaranteed by its manufacturer for ~1 million clicks."
It might have only been a few hundred thousand, or something... Still long enough that you basically don't have to worry about it.
It's 1 million. With that many cycles, you could click the switch over 250 times a day every day for 10-years before you hit the 1 million mark. It's 1 million. With that many cycles, you could click the switch over 250 times a day every day for 10-years before you hit the 1 million mark.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
the.Mtn.Man on 01-03-2011 04:42 AM GMT
CaNo said:
It has been a while since I had checked on this thread, but did I just see that Henry is coming out with the new clicky this or next month at shot show? Is this the clicky with the new and improved UI?
All indications are that it's a new type of Clicky with some sort of rotary switch, but we won't know the exact details until SHOT. Henry dropped these hints on us in the All indications are that it's a new type of Clicky with some sort of rotary switch, but we won't know the exact details until SHOT. Henry dropped these hints on us in the
speculation thread:
HDS_Systems said:
I'll give you a hint. This feature was supposed to be incorporated in the first 1 inch form factor light I designed in 2002 - I just could not figure how to cram the feature under the hood at the time. The feature was part of the Action Light 3 design, which derived from the Action Light 2 design and makes the flashlight a pleasure to use under a much wider range of situations.
. . .
I have been using this new model for the last three months and it is wonderful. All of the testers who have used it love it. The interface improvements make the operation so simple a 4 year old only took about 30 seconds to understand and make full use of the primary features.
HDS_Systems said:
My rotary works great for single-hande operation.
The 4 year old needed two hands because he was not quite coordinated enough to work things with one hand - and his hands were rather small.
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/283240
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
chanjyj on 01-03-2011 06:53 AM GMT
Argh. Used to think my HDS was invincible.
Suddenly, and for no apparent reason (my other torches have
only failed under torture testing) unable to turn on a HDS 170T today.
Even trying different batteries on it does not seems to power it on. I am unable to turn it on either via the tailcap switch, and when the light is disassembled and reassembled, the usual dim light that comes on does not make its appearance either.
Have sent an email to Henry.
Thank God I was carrying an extra SF LX2, SF M2 and Fenix E01 with me at the same time. Confidence is quite shaken - if you abuse a light and it fails I understand. But it worked the previous day and not the next day - darned weird.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
shane45_1911 on 01-03-2011 12:16 PM GMT
Belstaff1464 said:
Sorry......I don't know if there is a huge difference in runtimes between 140 Wide (SSC) and the 140 Narrow (GD). I would say the GD's would be more efficient but I'd just be guessing.
Does anyone have a picture of the SSC vs. the GD? I have a 5th hand 140 Exec but I am not sure what emitter is in it??? Does anyone have a picture of the SSC vs. the GD? I have a 5th hand 140 Exec but I am not sure what emitter is in it???
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
AILL on 01-03-2011 12:31 PM GMT
shane45_1911 said:
Does anyone have a picture of the SSC vs. the GD? I have a 5th hand 140 Exec but I am not sure what emitter is in it???
Show us a picture of the emitter. We can tell you immediately which one you've got. Show us a picture of the emitter. We can tell you immediately which one you've got.
GD is much smaller than the SSC.
Andreas
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
shane45_1911 on 01-03-2011 12:40 PM GMT
AILL said:
Show us a picture of the emitter. We can tell you immediately which one you've got.
GD is much smaller than the SSC.
Andreas
Ah, the ol' reverse psychology trick huh? Unfortunately my son has my camera and hasn't returned it - and my cell camera hasn't worked for ages... Ah, the ol' reverse psychology trick huh? Unfortunately my son has my camera and hasn't returned it - and my cell camera hasn't worked for ages...
I must have the GD however, because it is very tiny - about the size of my 170 emitter.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
shane45_1911 on 01-03-2011 12:43 PM GMT
Ooops - double tap.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
pjandyho on 01-03-2011 12:51 PM GMT
If it has an emitter that looks like a 1mm dot surrounded by a white circular collar then you have the Golden Dragon Plus.
Re: HDS Systems EDC (Ra CLicky) #13
Written by
shane45_1911 on 01-03-2011 12:53 PM GMT
pjandyho said:
If it has an emitter that looks like a 1mm dot surrounded by a white circular collar then you have the Golden Dragon Plus.
Bingo. Confirmed - I have the GD. Thanks guys. Bingo. Confirmed - I have the GD. Thanks guys.
