Fire Foxes FF3 -- I Am Blown Away!! **NEW BEAMSHOTS ADDED**

RichS

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So I've seen some of the posts on this tiny giant the Fire Foxes FF3, and have been itching to get my hands on one. Unfortunately I missed the group buy, and didn't really want to wait for another one to get organized. So, I searched the net and found a website in China I hadn't heard of before (has flashlight-torch in the name) that had 3 of these in stock, for $270 shipped. I asked around and no one had any experience with the site, so I emailed them to make sure I got responses to my questions.

So, I went ahead and took a chance and ordered one late on Friday night (9/7). I got an email Monday morning that they'd shipped the light already! I got an email with an EMS Express tracking no. (keep in mind it was free shipping..). So, I watched the progress from Shanghai China to Ohio, and it was delivered this morning at 8:30am! 1 Day shipping from China?! Anyway, I didn't even know it was possible, but there you go.

Over and above my happy experience above, I am completely BLOWN AWAY by this light! I had a Magic Fire Scorpion, and I figured that with 4 batteries in the body, this light had to be close as big and hefty as that one. Boy was I wrong! Somehow this light is way smaller, and much much lighter than the Scorpion. I took a few pics to demonstrate how small, but it is way smaller. The build quality, fit and finish, and anodizing is all amazing on this light.

And yet, all of the above pale in comparison to my jaw dropping experience when I got it outside tonight! Keep in mind, I've been in the flashlight hobby for a few years now, and have had some pretty bright lights - 2,000 lumen mag mods, M6, a couple of HIDs, etc.. but when I got this out tonight, it was just mind boggling to me that something so tiny could produce such a crazy amount of light, not to mention the throw it has! On top of that, it has a perfect tint and color rendering is wonderful. To say I was blown away is an understatement. I wasn't able to get beamshots tonight, but I'll try to get some up soon.

One thing I did have to do is shorten the springs on the battery carrier. I am using protected AW 3100 18650s, and they wouldn't fit in to the carrier due to their height. I cut a few coils off of each of the springs, and now they fit just fine.

Oh yeah - and I fully expected a loud, annoying noise from the ballast based on what I read. Where's the noise on mine?! Seriously, until I was in dead quiet and put my ear close to the light, I couldn't hear a thing. Only beautiful silence and lots of pretty lumens.....:D

A few pics of the "unveiling" and pics in hand. Hope to add a few nice beamshots soon!

(This thing was packed well)
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This thing is crazy small for a 40 watt HID!!!

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Took a few coils off the negative spring, and AW 3100's then fit perfectly

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Beamshots!!

Ok - I got a few of the highest powered lights I could get a hold of from friends of mine (thanks Chris and Ryan!). So, below are shots from 350' and 850' using the below lights:


  • Mag09 - 2,000 lumens
  • Mag 458 w/ FM 3" Head - 6,500 lumens
  • POB 35W HID - 3,500 lumens
  • Fire Foxes FF3 - 4,000 lumens


350 Feet

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850 Feet

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Close Cropped on Target
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Conclusion:

The tiny Fire Foxes FF3 bested the 6,500 lumen output of the Mag458, and to my eye has at least as much if not more effective reach as the POB spotlight. It may not be the pencil beam of the POB, but at 850 feet, I feel I could as easily if not more easily identify a target using the FF3 as with the POB. In addition, it covers a much broader area with close to the intensity as the POB. Much beyond that distance, you're not going to be able to identify a target with your naked eye anyway.


Total Lumen Output Comparison

This helps to give a better visual representation of total lumen output, by letting you see how brightly each light illuminates the room. Again, I used manual mode with all settings locked (1 sec exposure, 100 ISO, Daylight WB). The same lights were used:

  • Mag09 - 2,000 lumens
  • Mag 458 w/ FM 3" Head - 6,500 lumens
  • POB 35W HID - 3,500 lumens
  • Fire Foxes FF3 - 4,000 lumens


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Conclusion:
I'm not sure how it bested the 6,000+ lumen Mag458, but it clearly did.

This little beast rocks!!!
 
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Congratulations on your purchase. I was blown away with the FF3 to. I am running Panasonic IMR cells in mine.


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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- World's Brightest Compact Light??

Nice review!

The only thing keeping me away from HIDs [tried it, sold it] is that the color temperature is often too high [4500K is wonderful, 6000K :green: ], and require being left on for awhile. Short term on/off cycling is supposedly bad for the ballest and the actual arc tube. If I have to leave it on, then I expect the light to operate well with a decent runtime. In retrospect, I regret having sold my amondotech N30. It wasn't pocketable, but it had everything on it I found useful. Whats the runtime on this fatboy, do you know? :)
 
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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- World's Brightest Compact Light??

Great Post RichS. I've had a couple of people PM me about this HID and I've always told them that they will be stunned by the performance. And it has such a nice tint compared to some other HIDS. I also purchased from the same website. Anybody who is ummmming or aaaahing about purchasing this HID ... JUST BUY IT!
 

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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- I Am Blown Away!!

Hmmmm thanks for nothing! posting this thread about this light :( ........... Now there is only 1 left :) been eyeballing it for a while now $256.50AUD not bad IMO - thanks for posting this!

Don't worry. The stock left figure seems to jump up and down so I think they have access to more.
 

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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- I Am Blown Away!!

Congrats! RichS!


FYI, the loud ballast noise is only in the 1st 40 or so pre-release batch, which I fixed it by potting the ballasts top & bottom boards.

The later release fixed the noise, I suspect they potted the ballast in the production run, if you open the bezel, make sure to take a picture of the ballast.
 

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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- I Am Blown Away!!

Nice post!

I think I also found that same site with the light for sale, good to know that you have a good experience with them. Been eyeing the FF3 as well, but decided that I wanted to see how I like HIDs first before getting one. That and the buzzing noise of the FF3 ballast which seems to be fixed now.

Maybe they can also add a layer of insulation between the reflector and the electronics, so it can run at max for longer (like ma_sha1 did).

How's the startup time on the light?
 

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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- I Am Blown Away!! **Beamshots!!**

Congratulations on your purchase. I was blown away with the FF3 to. I am running Panasonic IMR cells in mine.


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Thanks!! I thought about using IMR cells, but from what I read the constant draw is not too much for the protected 3100s to handle. Gives me a little more run time.

Nice review!

The only thing keeping me away from HIDs [tried it, sold it] is that the color temperature is often too high [4500K is wonderful, 6000K :green: ], and require being left on for awhile. Short term on/off cycling is supposedly bad for the ballest and the actual arc tube. If I have to leave it on, then I expect the light to operate well with a decent runtime. In retrospect, I regret having sold my amondotech N30. It wasn't pocketable, but it had everything on it I found useful. Whats the runtime on this fatboy, do you know? :)

Thanks! If color temp kept you away, come back to the beauty of 4300K! This rendering on this light is amazing. Not sure on runtime, but I'd estimate around 50 minutes (on 3100mAH batts) based on what I read regarding the current draw.

Hmmmm thanks for nothing! posting this thread about this light :( ........... Now there is only 1 left :) been eyeballing it for a while now $256.50AUD not bad IMO - thanks for posting this!

Whoops, sorry Glenn....you may hate me now, but you'll be thanking me when you turn it on for the first time!!

Congrats! RichS!


FYI, the loud ballast noise is only in the 1st 40 or so pre-release batch, which I fixed it by potting the ballasts top & bottom boards.

The later release fixed the noise, I suspect they potted the ballast in the production run, if you open the bezel, make sure to take a picture of the ballast.

Thanks ma sha. Yep, must have been fixed in this one since it is so quiet. Thanks so much to you for your info and review that pushed me into buying this light. I truly feel like I'm holding the sun in my hands!!

Nice post!

I think I also found that same site with the light for sale, good to know that you have a good experience with them. Been eyeing the FF3 as well, but decided that I wanted to see how I like HIDs first before getting one. That and the buzzing noise of the FF3 ballast which seems to be fixed now.

Maybe they can also add a layer of insulation between the reflector and the electronics, so it can run at max for longer (like ma_sha1 did).

How's the startup time on the light?

Looks like the site has 4 more in stock. Just get one man!! The startup time on this is better than I've ever seen in the 4 other HIDs I've owned. It is at full power in 15 seconds, but it seems super bright after about 5 seconds - maybe at 70% in 5 seconds or so. Pretty incredible.
 
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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- World's Brightest Compact Light??

How long does it take until yours steps down?

Do they declare the real value of the light on the customs form?
Did you have to pay import duties/taxes?
 
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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- World's Brightest Compact Light??

Step down has varied on mine from 8 minutes to 12, depending on ambient temps and if it's moving around or stationary.
 

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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- World's Brightest Compact Light??

how many lux ?

Here are some firefox lux numbers. All my numbers are measured at 10 meter & back calculated:

--Fire-Foxes III(火狐2012). 40W HID, 3" reflector: 225,000 cp (1st pre-production unit, Measured by ma_sha1)
--Fire-Foxes III(火狐2012). 40W HID, 3" reflector: 224,000 cp (Measured by Colonel Sanders @ 10m)
--Fire-Foxes I (火狐2009), 35W HID 2.6" SMO, Peeled naked bulb, 148,500 cp (measured by shinetop, 3 meters)
--Fire-Foxes I (火狐2009) 35W HID, 2.6" SMO, Peeled naked bulb: 100,000 cp (Measured by ma_sha1)
--Fire-Foxes I (火狐2009) 35W HID, 2.6" SMO, Peeled naked bulb: 115,000 cp (2nd unit Measured by ma_sha1)

To compare with other HIDs lux numbers, see here:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...ated-Short-Arc-amp-HID-spotlight-Lux-readings
 

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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- World's Brightest Compact Light??

yeah, i love my ff3

i will go hungry and starve to death before i sell mine... that is until the ff4 comes out
 

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Re: Fire Foxes FF3 -- I Am Blown Away!! **Beamshots!!**

Thanks! If color temp kept you away, come back to the beauty of 4300K! This rendering on this light is amazing. Not sure on runtime, but I'd estimate around 50 minutes (on 3100mAH batts) based on what I read regarding the current draw.

:thumbsup:
I might consider it down the road, you mentioned the need to trim the springs, what was it originally meant for? flat top 18650s?
 

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Even with the newer 2900 and 3100 flat top cells, it's very tight quarters length-wise. It would be very easy to tear the shrink wrap insulator near the edge of the cylinder (creating a dead short point) after a few insertions and removals. I have not done mine but I think it's a good move.
 

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