Ok now I understand what all the incan fuss is about.

Seiko -

Pretty cool story, man. Good visuals. Stories of incan appreciation erupt here with some frequency. I like incan light for outdoor use. It's nice indoors too.

Icebreak said:

An incandescent light can be your best friend…

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Here is an object's image that seems to benefit from incandescent lighting. For some, incandescent light aids in depth perception.

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The intentional and strategic use of incandescent light may serve to employ its plethora of wavelengths to reveal intrinsic aspects of an object that make viewing said object's image an almost titillating sensory experience.

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During the day the sky changes its light output in intensity, tint and spectra. Right now there is an intense blue sky blowing light into the north side of my home. On the southern side of my home there is intense direct sunlight blowing in. It's a more yellow light. Later today the sun will get low and the tint will shift to the red/amber side. Before dusk there is some "magic hour" photographers treasure. Even more amber.

It's a beautiful world we have to live in. No reason to limit the kind of light we use. Nature doesn't. So, try to forgive me if at night I prefer the stunning effect incandescent light has on all the beautiful things in this world as it baths them in a smorgasbord of delicious color.

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325addict said:

Jackal-head is pointing out some very interesting, not-to-be-overseen advantages of LEDs in general… This may be the incan part of the forum, but some comparison is, I think, not always wrong… if I'm wrong here, and I should stay more to the incans without comparison to LEDs, I would be glad you tell me so.

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You are perfectly entitled to express your opinion, especially when you do so in a tactful and non-confrontational way as you have done. After all, opinions are precisely what we are dealing with here.

Or maybe we should call them perceptions? Let's isolate just 2 quite important comments from Jackal-Head's posts:

Jackal-Head said:

I highly prefer the color rendition of neutral white LEDs over incand

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Those are his opinions/perceptions. They are self-evidently personal ones – he uses the words "I" and "my". Other members should respect his views, even if they disagree.

We then need to consider whether or not it is proper for an advocate for LED lighting to come here to the Incandescent section and post his views in a thread like this one. Again, I think this should be possible, within reason.

However, this is where members need to be very careful. A carefully-worded, courteous and thoughtful opinion that dissents from the majority view should not be considered out of place; but it is possible that the dissent can be overdone and become a nuisance. Among other things, it could be considered off topic, and if it causes disruption, trolling.

That is why I said in my earlier post above that I was beginning to think about it being trolling. Again in my opinion, it isn't – yet. But I think the thread has now absorbed sufficient dissent, so I would ask Jackal-Head to take that into account, and voluntarily refrain from any more posts here along those lines.

This post is itself off-topic, and I apologise for that; but I hope it has nevertheless been helpful.

Now back to the topic...

Phaserburn said:

An easy to do and yet under the radar setup:

WF-500 (got mine for $25; very good build quality), LF bulb (around $18, IIRC), UCL (optional; around 6?). Using 2x18650s (regular AWs), this light screams. Great beam, throw is very good. Its around a 3A draw, so it is equal to many of the WA bulbs. If you already have the cells, this setup is under 50, and it's a really nice one.

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Sorry dm51 not quite done with the offtopicness. Which lf bulb?

R@ndom said:

Sorry dm51 not quite done with the offtopicness. Which lf bulb?

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Lumens Factory HO-R5.

http://www.lumensfactory.com/product_detail.php?id=56

@ DM51: everything clear

So let's get back on topic!

@ all others: does anybody know how this extremely bright LF lamp assembly compares to a stock Wolf Eyes M300? This Wolf Eyes is still very tempting to me, but is "only" about 400 Lumens according to Wolf Eyes. But, as we all know, the WAY a manufacturer measures Lumens is not always the same....


Timmo.

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Seiko said:

.... So I decided to do a 5761 build on a 2c mag.

.... direct quote from the local departments air unit. "Hes 20 yards to the left of the officer with the spotlight" ....

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Awesome story!

I wonder if his nickname is now Mr. Spotlight? [or spotty]

If you could be anywhere near the illumination levels of the sun, then a higher white point of neutral-white or cool-white could be advantageous.
otherwise the cool-white (or as I like to call them, blue) are just annoying-see Kruithof Curve
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Kruithof_curve.svg

I wonder how much of a performance hit the new EagleTac M2X would take if it were offered in warm-white (say if you want to use it almost exclusively outside)
cool: 800-360-150-40
neutral: 665-300-120-33

warm: ? 500-225-90-25 (Take that Surefire M6!)
http://flashlightconnection.com/Eag...ac-M2-amp-M2X/EagleTac-M2X-COOL-Tint-p84.html
http://flashlightconnection.com/Eag...ac-M2-amp-M2X/EagleTac-M2X-WARM-Tint-p85.html

I always find it funny when people start talking incan vs LED - because I never get them to fight each other. I have LED lights for long run time, low modes, small size, etc. I have incan lights for strong output, better colour, fire lighting, etc.

I will soon have my 180+ watt, 6000+ Lumen Mag4D running, it should be fun! (Osram 64458 bulb, AW Soft start driver, 5 x AW 26500 IMR cells, Aluminium reflector, borofloat lens) I don't see any LED lights around that can compete with that (just like I can't find an incan that can compete with my L0D for brightness, runtime & size all at once).

MichaelW said:

I wonder if his nickname is now Mr. Spotlight? [or spotty]

If you could be anywhere near the illumination levels of the sun, then a higher white point of neutral-white or cool-white could be advantageous.
otherwise the cool-white (or as I like to call them, blue) are just annoying-see Kruithof Curve
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Kruithof_curve.svg

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Ah, that explains why my MagP7 looks great anywhere inside 10 feet...

FWIW, I don't find high color temperature annoying until it's well outside the cool side of that curve; green and purple tints annoy me much easier. (Of course, incans are essentially immune to those.) But basically, I consider any issue of color temperature or tint a matter of taste, and CRI (or other measurements of full-spectrumness) the only objective deficiencies. Showing that a statistical preference for warmer dim lighting and cooler bright lighting exists in a population who've grown up and lived their lives under warm, dim, artificial light and cool, bright daylight doesn't convince me that following that trend is necessarily better in any objective sense. I guess we'll have to wait till we have some people who've grown up on a space station, or maybe a generational transport, to find that out.

No one to have any experience on the comparison between a Wolf Eyes M300 and a Rattlesnake with the 700 Lumen Lumens Factory Lamp Assembly?

I would like to know which one is brighter, has the better throw, has more flood etc etc....

Or... did I better start a new thread on this, DM51??


Timmo.

325addict said:

No one to have any experience on the comparison between a Wolf Eyes M300 and a Rattlesnake with the 700 Lumen Lumens Factory Lamp Assembly?

I would like to know which one is brighter, has the better throw, has more flood etc etc....

Or... did I better start a new thread on this, DM51??

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LOL - Wolf-Eyes Rattlesnake M90-13V Rechargeable vs Wolfeyes lion m300

Icebreak, God bless you for bringing Eva back. We can never have too much of her "wisdom."

Thank you very much, DM51! This is exactly what I was looking for, and the "wall of light that lights up a whole house" seems to be a very good point of the M300.... So I want one :green:

Timmo.

JJV said:

Don't want to start a fight here but couldn't it be considered trolling to come in and tout LED superiority in the Incan forum?

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Trolling comes from trawling and means intentionally fishing for aggravated responses. In this sense I plead not guilty. The subject of the original post appeared to me to invite a discussion of how the "incan fuss" relates to the LED fuss, HID fuss, CCFL fuss, combustion fuss or what have you. In other words, a comparison of incandescent lamps to other technologies.

Nonetheless I want to apologize for the upset my posts have caused and I don't intend to continue the discussion. Everything else would be anyway.

Jackal-Head said:

I plead not guilty.

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Plea fully accepted - thanks for your post.

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I want to apologize for the upset my posts have caused and I don't intend to continue the discussion.

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I think you have made your point and it is now time for you to discontinue here, as you yourself acknowledge.

As I said earlier, in post #22 above:

DM51 said:

A carefully-worded, courteous and thoughtful opinion that dissents from the majority view should not be considered out of place; but it is possible that the dissent can be overdone and become a nuisance.

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If you want to continue on these lines, please start another thread elsewhere about it, or find an existing one. This one will now need to stay on topic - incan only.

Yes, I've definitely set my mind onto the M300. As I started to be a real flashaholic, I was impressed already by this mighty light, now I know what kind of light-pattern it has even more so.
Due to the fact I can get many (unprotected) 18650s for free, this lamp is even more attractive to me. Just like that M90 Rattlesnake...

I yesterday missed an M300 on eBay.de because it was just getting too expensive. For a little more, I can buy a new one....

So maybe I just have to buy a new one, I hope to add it to my collection soon. But I have the same hope with the E1L, the E1e, a Boxer, a..... well, too many fine lights to choose from lovecpf

Timmo.