10440 in a KD Buckle V4 and issues with the Aurora R2 Buckle

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This morning, I put a 10440 in my KD Buckle V4 and turned it on for 10 mins...it gets quite warm and it's VERY bright. Nothing bad has happened yet.

I put the Aurora R2 Buckle on my keychain and the nicks and marks on it accumulate faster than another other light I put on my keychain. Also, sometimes it doesn't turn on even when it's tighten. QC and design issues?
 
Thank you! Finally someone with the balls to turn it on for longer then 10secs with a 10440 inside (it was obviously not me hahahaha) although have you since taken the KD V4 apart to check the insides to for any burning smell? Also have you tried to run a 1.5V in there again to test if the booster circuit is shot?

Mind if I ask what voltage the 10440 was at when you first put it in?

From what I hear the Aurora R2 is basically a lemon.
 
Thank you! Finally someone with the balls to turn it on for longer then 10secs with a 10440 inside (it was obviously not me hahahaha) although have you since taken the KD V4 apart to check the insides to for any burning smell? Also have you tried to run a 1.5V in there again to test if the booster circuit is shot?

Mind if I ask what voltage the 10440 was at when you first put it in?

From what I hear the Aurora R2 is basically a lemon.

haha.....I have the balls to do it because I didn't really like the beam of mine particular V4....so I thought that I will try it out and if it breaks...oh well.....

The voltage of my 10440 was about 4.16 when I put it in...maybe slightly lower but not by much. I put it in my L0D Q4 for 30 seconds before trying it in my V4. (BTW, at 4.16V....my L0D Q4 flickers....but not with a 4.06V 10440...not sure if it is the voltage or just a bad battery)

No smell......but I have no tried to put back a 1.5V to try it. I will let you know tonight.
 
I already did some complete discharges in my KD buckle v4 Q5.
But I only did it after first carefully measuring the input current and the battery voltage drop under load. Is seems to work without any problems with my light and my 10440s. But I recommend not to do this if you do not know exactly what you are doing. With a LED with slightly lower forward voltage or a battery with lower impedance the flashlight could be damaged.
And even when the flashlight is not killed by the batteries it is very likely that the flashlight will kill the batteries by overdischarging them.

But it is amazingly bright running on 10440s, more than twice as bright than whith my Eneloops. And even more astonishing, I get a runtime of almost 30 minutes with one of my two 10440s fully charged to 4.2V.

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Runtime plot with the better one of my two 10440's. I used my USB scope to measure the photocurrent of a photodiode placed some centimeters in front of the light. I clamped the head of the light in a vise so that I could change batteries without moving the light. After 27 minutes of slightly dimming very bright light and three more minutes of constant brightness the light suddenly went very dim. When you look at my current draw curve on NiMHs you see that the battery voltage must have suddenly dropped to below 0.5V.

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Runtime on Eneloop NiMh's. Approximately the same runtime but less than half the brightness.

I repeated the measurements 3 times and always got nearly the same result.

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Runtime plot using alkaline primaries. It's just a complete waste of money to put alkalines in this light.

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Current draw and battery voltage using a 10440 battery. Current measured as voltage drop over a 10 milliohm resistor. This time I ended the measurement before the battery was over-discharged. But you can already see the voltage dropping and the current rising after 30 minutes (crazy software: 29minutes 60seconds). That is the beginning of the approx. 3 minute constant brightness period.

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Eneloop current draw and battery voltage. After 30 minutes I took the lamps head form my test setup, the battery voltage rose immediately.

Look at the values after 10 minutes of runtime:

LiIon 10440: 3.4V * 0.62A = 2.11 W input power
NiMH: 1.13V * 1.9A = 2.15 W input power
(input current is nearly pure DC with only a barely visible ripple from the boost converter running at approx. 1 MHz, voltage shows no visible ripple)

How can it be that the input power is nearly identical but the light is more than twice as bright running on 10440s?

There are two possible explanations:
- driver efficiency is very low using NiMH's.
- something is seriously wrong with my measurements
 
I put a rechargeable AAA in my V4 and it still worked.

Thanks for providing the graphs.

BTW, my Aurora R2 Buckle doesn't even turn on anymore.....on both kinds of batteries.
 
My Aurora works fine, for what it's worth. It did, however, arrive with a fair ammount of grime on the solder lump that contacts the battery in the cap end. Have you tried cleaning it and/or removing and reapplying that solder?
 
I tried 10440 in my V4 and it does seem slightly brighter, but not twice as much :/
(this is by eye, no lux meter)
 
Thanks Tohuwabohu and Centropolis !

Great to see that it works so well on 10440s, makes a great EDC blinder! As I don't have one I'm wondering if I need one now... Well it is my birthday today... So maybe?
 
I put a rechargeable AAA in my V4 and it still worked.

Thanks for providing the graphs.

BTW, my Aurora R2 Buckle doesn't even turn on anymore.....on both kinds of batteries.

DON'T put a 10440 in the Aurora R2 Buckle!
Try cleaning the contacts as
marschw said and use NiMH's in the Aurora.
I did a very short test on my bench power supply. At 2V the current draw was already 3A.
I don't like the Aurora buckle light very much but I don't want to destroy it on purpose.
I will not do any test at a higher voltage or put a 10440 in the Aurora.
 
tried a 10440 in a v4 buckle light...

And it was OK ! I gritted my teeth thinking it would poof, but it was and is ok after about 20 tries and 10 minutes or so of use. tested against my fenix lod on a 10440, the v4 is about 10-15% brighter, and testing the voltage of both batteries yielded about 4.12 volts, so pretty fresh. it also easily beats the R2 aaa from DX, and I'm still not ready to 10440 that one, as it rides on wife's keychain. I'm not reccomending all folks try this, but the v4 with a 10440 is the brightest aaa light so far I have seen.
 
Re: tried a 10440 in a v4 buckle light...

A 10440 in the v4 buckle light works perfectly as you can read in this thread.
But I repeat what I have written in the other thread:
DON'T put a 10440 in the Aurora R2 Buckle!
 
the v4 buckle with 10440

Is it brighter than the L0D Q4 on 10440, or the L0D P4? Thanks.

Almost forgot about this gem.
 
Re: the v4 buckle with 10440

Is it brighter than the L0D Q4 on 10440, or the L0D P4? Thanks.

Almost forgot about this gem.

I put a 10440 in my LOD Q4 once and it did weird things so I am not going to try again. But I can tell you that a KD Buckle V4 on 10440 is VERY bright. It's definitely brighter than L0D Q4 on AAA max....

I will maybe try and take a couple of beam shot pictures tonight with a LF2X and KD Buckle V4 with a 10440 on max.
 
Re: tried a 10440 in a v4 buckle light...

I think its alright to direct drive a V4 with 10440, the question is, does the boost driver still work after that?

:)

EDIT: just saw your thread centropolis..thanks!

Crenshaw
 
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i was going to try, then the V4 went dim :faint: as if something was shorting, and flickered!

i pulled out the 10440, and put in a semi used alk, thank goodness, it still lighted up...:ohgeez:

Crenshaw
 
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so whats the verdict!

i went in on the V3 and it was nightmare from day 1, if V4 runs on 10400 and is brighter or as bright as a L0D on 10440's i might go for it:poke:
 
reviving an old thread here.
But I tried the V4 swith a 10440 and it was all fine.
I'm not sure yet to edc it on an every day basis.
has anyone EDCd it with no problems?
 
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