6P & 3.6 V Rechargables?

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Quick question... tried the search and could not find the answer.

Will the SF P60 module go :poof: when using 2x3.6V rechargeable cells? Or is it limited to 2x3V primaries only?

thanks!!
 
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Yes I've had a P60 :poof: when using 3.6 123's. Stick to the primaries.
 
OK thanks for the replies. Not the answer I was hoping for:sigh:, but I DO appreciate the knowledge:). I really like the quality of light output from the P60. I find its color rendering, shadow/surface texture resolution to outweigh its yellow:green::sick2: tint.

hopefully my LED drop-in will get here soon:thumbsup:.
 
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OK thanks for the replies. Not the answer I was hoping for:sigh:, but I DO appreciate the knowledge:). I really like the quality of light output from the P60. I find its color rendering, shadow/surface texture resolution to outweigh its yellow:green::sick2: tint.

hopefully my LED drop-in will get here soon:thumbsup:.

You are not going to get that nice "color rendering, shadow/surface texture resolution" with a LED drop-in. Have you though about using the P90 LA and using 2XRCR123's, or buy an extension and run the P90 with three CR123's or two 17500's?

Bill
 
cool thanks!! Yeah that one thread was some serious cranial over-load...:crazy::crazy: hence my desire to post a more direct thread here.

I'm going to try and get by with a DX LED drop in. For $12 (DX)... I figured I should give it a shot. I am expecting the quality of resolution to be a step down. I hope my eyes can adjust to it though. I use this light at work, so I'd prefer it to be small. That kind of rules out a 3-cell extension tube, but I certainly will keep that in mind.
 
I assume 3V rechargeables are ok?

I have a 6P on the way and already use these in my fenix lights.

Stu
 
I assume 3V rechargeables are ok?

I have a 6P on the way and already use these in my fenix lights.

Stu

They may work for a while but it is still very likely to go up in a flash especially with batteries hot off the charger. I just got a replacement set up for a colleague at work who was using 2 x 3v RCR123A's in a G2Z with a P60 which popped. He is now using an excellent set up of a protected 17670 and a LF HO-4 :D
 
just because a cell has a label voltage of 3V doesn't mean it will behave the same as a difference chemistry also labeled 3V.

Most rechargeable "3V" cells deliver around 3.2V under a load, most primary CR123s deliver about 2.5V under a load. The bulbs designed for use on 2xCR123 primary cells are actually closer to 5V bulbs even though they are labeled "6V."
 
I have 2 D26 from Lumens Factory HO9 320 lumens and EO9 380 lumens using 2 x 3.6v RCR123A. I have 3.7v RCR123A on the way, are they gonna be any brighter than 3.6v?

And can I use 3 x LiFePO4 RCR123A with those 2 bulbs above? I did :poof::oops: one Surefire P60 already so I don't want to make the same mistake again. I want more free lumens because I don't think I get 320 out of HO9 or 380 out of EO9 when using 2 x 3.6V RCR123A.
 
I think I am going to try the 17670 and a LF HO-4 route. I wasn't planning on tweaking around with this light....but what the hell. I prefer to use rechargeables.
 
Did you consider using 3v RCR-123's with the 6P? I have two of 'em and they work great in the G2 LA.
 
Did you consider using 3v RCR-123's with the 6P? I have two of 'em and they work great in the G2 LA.

I already asked that in this thread....and it seems a bit hit and miss to whether the stock 6p bulb will take it.

Stu
 
And one would have to wonder why you'd bother, they have lower capacity than the 3.7v ones, and with the 3.7v cells you can run a P90, more light, same package, similar run time.
 
Did you consider using 3v RCR-123's with the 6P? I have two of 'em and they work great in the G2 LA.

I already asked that in this thread....and it seems a bit hit and miss to whether the stock 6p bulb will take it.

Stu

I used only 2 of 3.6v RCR123A and already burn my Surefire P60 in a 6P, so I know I don't want to try it again.

My question is about the HO-9 and EO-9 bulbs from Lumens Factory, not sure they can handle 3 of LiFePO4 3v batteries??? And if they can, is it much brighter than 2 x 3.7v RCR123A?

Are the 3.6v and 3.7v RCR123A the same? Can I get more performance when using 3.7v instead of 3.6V?
 
BMF said:
I have 2 D26 from Lumens Factory HO9 320 lumens and EO9 380 lumens using 2 x 3.6v RCR123A. I have 3.7v RCR123A on the way, are they gonna be any brighter than 3.6v?

You can not *safely* use the EO-9 with RCR123 size 3.7V Li-Ion cells. Lithium Cobalt oxide is, in 99% of cases, rated for a maximum discharge rate of 1.5-2C, or in the case of a ~500-600mAH cell, ~0.9A-1.2A is the maximum safe continuous drain rate. The EO-9 would be at least a 4C discharge rate, double the rated maximum. The HO-9 is actually close to a 3C discharge rate, however, provided you use it in short bursts the HO-9 will work pretty well, just keep a close eye on the cells and test frequently for signs of aging.

The difference between a 3.6V and 3.7V rated Li-Ion cell is simply old vs new labeling. Li-Ion used to be considered 3.6V nominal, charged to 4.1V, nowadays the design has been tweaked to handle being charged to 4.2V, so they changed the label voltage to 3.7V. It is very unlikely that you could buy a new Li-Ion cell that is actually based on the older designs that could only be charged to 4.1V, so what is likely, is that you simply bought cells from company that has "moved forward" with the labeling used by the industry. Many companies are simply still calling them 3.6V cells, it really doesn't make much difference, the important thing is that you get quality cells that can handle the current, but no matter what cells you buy, you are going to be way over the rated maximum discharge rate on those lamps.

BMF said:
And can I use 3 x LiFePO4 RCR123A with those 2 bulbs above? I did one Surefire P60 already so I don't want to make the same mistake again. I want more free lumens because I don't think I get 320 out of HO9 or 380 out of EO9 when using 2 x 3.6V RCR123A.

mdocod said:
just because a cell has a label voltage of 3V doesn't mean it will behave the same as a difference chemistry also labeled 3V.

Most rechargeable "3V" cells deliver around 3.2V under a load, most primary CR123s deliver about 2.5V under a load. The bulbs designed for use on 2xCR123 primary cells are actually closer to 5V bulbs even though they are labeled "6V."

They are very likely to fry any lamp intended to be used with primary CR123s as they have substantially higher working voltage.

You are not going to get "320 and 380" lumens out of a pair of Li-Ion cells that are less than half the minimum ideal size to drive those lamps. Run them on a pair of 17500s as bare minimum and you should have much better results. Also remember that those are bulb lumens at the voltage listed in the specifications charts, you have to take into consideration losses from reflector, lens, etc. Fresh off the charger, a pair of 17500s will drive an EO-9 to around 250 torch lumens. Also remember that Torch Lumens and SureFire Lumens are very different things. Surefire is de-rated even further.
 
You can not *safely* use the EO-9 with RCR123 size 3.7V Li-Ion cells. Lithium Cobalt oxide is, in 99% of cases, rated for a maximum discharge rate of 1.5-2C, or in the case of a ~500-600mAH cell, ~0.9A-1.2A is the maximum safe continuous drain rate. The EO-9 would be at least a 4C discharge rate, double the rated maximum. The HO-9 is actually close to a 3C discharge rate, however, provided you use it in short bursts the HO-9 will work pretty well, just keep a close eye on the cells and test frequently for signs of aging.

The difference between a 3.6V and 3.7V rated Li-Ion cell is simply old vs new labeling. Li-Ion used to be considered 3.6V nominal, charged to 4.1V, nowadays the design has been tweaked to handle being charged to 4.2V, so they changed the label voltage to 3.7V. It is very unlikely that you could buy a new Li-Ion cell that is actually based on the older designs that could only be charged to 4.1V, so what is likely, is that you simply bought cells from company that has "moved forward" with the labeling used by the industry. Many companies are simply still calling them 3.6V cells, it really doesn't make much difference, the important thing is that you get quality cells that can handle the current, but no matter what cells you buy, you are going to be way over the rated maximum discharge rate on those lamps.





They are very likely to fry any lamp intended to be used with primary CR123s as they have substantially higher working voltage.

You are not going to get "320 and 380" lumens out of a pair of Li-Ion cells that are less than half the minimum ideal size to drive those lamps. Run them on a pair of 17500s as bare minimum and you should have much better results. Also remember that those are bulb lumens at the voltage listed in the specifications charts, you have to take into consideration losses from reflector, lens, etc. Fresh off the charger, a pair of 17500s will drive an EO-9 to around 250 torch lumens. Also remember that Torch Lumens and SureFire Lumens are very different things. Surefire is de-rated even further.



Thanks for the infos! I guess I have to get a different light to take advantage of those 2 bulbs I bought. My 6P won't handle 2 x 17500s without mod or buying extension. So I think I wasted money on those 2 bulbs because I have no light to power them, any suggestion?
 
Get yourself an A19 extender and 2x17500s! Then you can have a '9P' or a 6P, that set up will be nice and flexible for you. You could also get a Surefire P90 lamp, that runs just fine on 2x3.7v cells, either the RCR123s used in the 6P or the 17500s with the cell extender.
 
Thanks for the infos! I guess I have to get a different light to take advantage of those 2 bulbs I bought. My 6P won't handle 2 x 17500s without mod or buying extension. So I think I wasted money on those 2 bulbs because I have no light to power them, any suggestion?

My 6P with a Detonator extension. I'm running a HO-9 and 2 x 17500 cells. Throws a nice wide beam out to 50 yards.

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