Cree Q5 in a Gladius

Samuel

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Follow up to this post:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2325322&postcount=9

Here is how I put a Q5 in a Gladius. I won't get into too much detail regarding LED swaps and such. I'll assume that you're already familiar enough with the Gladius to know that you might need a strap wrench/heat to take the bezel/head off and that there is a small ball bearing underneath the bezel/head that keeps the LED/heat sink from turning (once loose, unscrew the head gently and slowly and expect the BB to pop out and roll on you).

The parts I used:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2394
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5937
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5955
I'm not sure what the difference is between 5937 and 5955. I think I've used both.

The parts - the reflector comes in a kit, you only need the reflector itself. The DX star has a pretty thin board - maybe a little more than half the thickness of a luxeon board. If you have a thick board, you will need to cut your reflector even more, or live with a bigger gap.
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You'll need to cut down the reflector. Modded reflector on the left. Stock on the right. Bottom of the housing is ground to the same level as the bottom of the reflector small opening. In this picture, the Q5 is already in the Gladius and one shim in place.
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Comparison of modded DX, stock Gladius/IMS reflector and housing, and stock DX reflectors. You will not be using any part of the stock Gladius reflector/housing.
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Cutting shims out of gloss photopaper (I use glossy side towards LED). You can trace around the bottom of the reflector and then fine tune from there. One of my Gladii took 3 pieces, another took 2. YMMV.
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Shims. You can also see how far the reflector is ground. Don't lose that BB!
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The reflector sits inside the heat sink, directly on top of the LED/board - another reason you'll need the shims. After you install the Q5, you'll see that the reflector will sit at an angle due to the wires. You can just add small piece(s) of shim on one side to build it up even. If you've never opened up the head of a Gladius, if you look carefully in this shot, you can see the little recess where the BB sits.
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Prying out the Seoul that came with the Gladius (purchased it from another CPF member already modded with the Seoul).
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Cree on left. Seoul on right.
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TLR with Seoul, modded by CM. The output from the Seoul TLR and Seoul Gladius were virtually the same to my eye.
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Here is the gap I was talking about (on the left). Out of the 3 Cree'd Gladii that I have, that one has the largest gap - the other two gaps are a hair or two smaller. If you want to reduce the gap, you will have to shorten the overall height of the reflector. BTW, the Gladius on the right is attached to a Safariland RLS light mount...
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Screw the stock Gladius bezel/head back on - I snug it hand tight until the gap is about 1mm. Put batteries and tailcap back on and check operation and focus. Shim as desired.
 
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Cree Q5 in a Gladius some beam shots

Apologies in advance for my poor picture taking skills. I needs help!

Seoul TLR into a corner of my office, 5-6' away.
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Seoul Gladius, same corner.
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Q5 Gladius, same corner.
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Q5 Gladius on left, Seoul Gladius on right - on ceiling 5-6'.
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Q5 Gladius on left, Seoul Gladius on right, same.
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Seoul TLR on left, Q5 Gladius on right, same.
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Seoul TLR on left, Q5 Gladius on right, same.
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Backyard at night with camera flash - maybe 30' to tree.
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Seoul TLR.
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Q5 Gladius.
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Seoul TLR to wall, maybe 25'.
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Q5 Gladius to wall.
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I forgot to take pictures with the Seoul Gladius vs Q5 Gladius last night (prior to modding). I used the Seoul TLR instead (same to my eye) tonight. Last four pictures were lightened in Photoshop the same amount. Hard to tell the difference(s). You can see much more difference in person.

Again, I haven't done much post-mod testing at all. I don't have any kind of light/output measuring equipment. All I can say is that there is a pretty big difference to my eye after modding and I'm happy with the outcome...
 
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my virginpost........:)


Awesome mod. and thank you for showing us.........:kewlpics:
 
very good mod...
What about the gladius low low setting ?
Because one very interesting point of the gladius is it's very low output...
thank you
 
again, sorry for the lame photography - two pics showing relative intensities (brightest vs dimmest settings) - I also like the dimmability, IMO the utility remains intact... sorry, I don't have any measuring devices...

oops, I should state that these are two Q5 Gladii. I didn't take any lowest level comparison shots (DOH) between the Q5 and Seoul and I don't have any non-Q5'ed ones right now... :(


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i'm gonna throw r2 emitters in my gladius and typhoons. i was just curious if you tried to use the old reflector assemblies, and if you did, why they didn't work? i assume they were too small or big in some critical measurement, but figured i would ask.
 
Used the Gladius' aluminum reflector spacer or tubing cover shown in the third pic of the first post in this thread so that the R2's smooth reflector would be easier to center while closing the bezel.

Also grinded the smooth reflector's opening two weeks ago so the bezel would fully close without a gap.

The Gladius with R2 is about 3 times brighter on both full and lowest brightness settings compared to my friend's stock Gladius. Before the R2 mod, the Gladius had a Seoul P4 mod and it had very similar beamshots as the ones in post #2 of this thread by Samuel.

Installed a home made PVC anti-roll bezel extension so it won't roll or slide down in inclined surfaces and a home made lanyard which allows me to use the flaslight hand without dropping and picking up the Gladius:

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No more gap at the bezel:

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Sorry, only phonecam pics available of the Gladius R2.
 
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i'm gonna throw r2 emitters in my gladius and typhoons. i was just curious if you tried to use the old reflector assemblies, and if you did, why they didn't work? i assume they were too small or big in some critical measurement, but figured i would ask.

Hi Matt, sorry I didn't see this earlier. I didn't try to use the old reflectors (IMS27 IIRC) - they might work, I'm not sure. I kinda remembered reading that they were better suited/designed for the Seoul and that the Seoul and Cree reflectors were different. I'd like to hear if you tried both and what resulted...
 
Used the Gladius' aluminum reflector spacer or tubing cover shown in the third pic of the first post in this thread so that the R2's smooth reflector would be easier to center while closing the bezel.

Also grinded the smooth reflector's opening two weeks ago so the bezel would fully close without a gap.

The Gladius with R2 is about 3 times brighter on both full and lowest brightness settings compared to my friend's stock Gladius. Before the R2 mod, the Gladius had a Seoul P4 mod and it had very similar beamshots as the ones in post #2 of this thread by Samuel.

Installed a home made PVC anti-roll bezel extension so it won't roll or slide down in inclined surfaces and a home made lanyard which allows me to use the flaslight hand without dropping and picking up the Gladius:

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No more gap at the bezel:

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Sorry, only phonecam pics available of the Gladius R2.

SWEET! :)
 
Very detail instruction. I was wondering whether it is possible to use the scc p7 in the Gladius?

Hi LA,

I just dropped in a P7 with a Khatod P7 reflector a week or so ago. I was a little disappointed - there seems to be more overall light output but there isn't much focus (or at least anywhere near the focus I'm used to seeing with either the Seoul P4/IMS27 or Cree Q5/cree reflector). I think the Gladius (limited to 700-750mA IIRC) isn't driving the P7 hard enough and a bigger reflector would be nice. It's a nice flood light but that's not what I'm looking for specifically.

I'm looking at trying an MC-E sometime in the near future. Man, I would love to see an MC-E or SST-50 Gladius with a slightly bigger head/reflector, higher currect driver, and a bored out body to take 2600mAh 18650's...
 
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