Exploding Surefire Cells?

[Lightguy27]

Hello,
With all the talk about exploding Battery Staion cells, I would like to know if any of you can put links on this thread for exploding Surefire cells. Im really only interested in Surefire cells so please no more battery station stories. Thanks alot.

I'll be waiting!!

 

[Illum]

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=78843
our first....and possibly last surefire cell venting

if there were other surefire incidents, the forum hasn't noticed [I've exhausted all search options before I made this statement]

 

[Lightguy27]

Thanks for the reply. That guy that posted that thread wasnt very helpful. He kind of just left it up to speculation. Thanks for the effort though, as this means one thing, Surefire makes some damb good batts if only one story was found

 

[Windscale]

One thread is one too many. No Duracell incident reported meant Duracell better than SF!

I think the whole chemistry is questionable. Despite this, I still use rechargeable Li-ions. The risk is taken because extreme care has also been taken, as some lights require them.

SF or XX, take care and good luck.

 

[Kiessling]

One thread is one too many. No Duracell incident reported meant Duracell better than SF!

Does it? How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Did you take into account the number of cells used together with this particular group of people? And what about all the other variables?

 

[Sinjz]

Have there been cases where the light explodes where we know it wasn't user error?

I keep seeing people say don't use cells made in China, but it seems the problems are mostly related to the Battery Station brand and/or user error.

The explosion linked above seems to show the guy using two different brands of batteries in the light. The P1D explosion sounded like the cell was severely damaged possibly with a puncture before he used it.... If so, I would blame both those incidents on user error.

I've been using Titaniums, some Radio Shack brands and even Yutongs! All made in China.

 

[WildChild]

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=78843
our first....and possibly last surefire cell venting

if there were other surefire incidents, the forum hasn't noticed [I've exhausted all search options before I made this statement]

It seems in this thread that two brands were used together in the flashlight. And it also looks like the China cell exploded creating a chain reaction with the SF cell.

 

[Lightguy27]

One thread is one too many. No Duracell incident reported meant Duracell better than SF!

I think the whole chemistry is questionable. Despite this, I still use rechargeable Li-ions. The risk is taken because extreme care has also been taken, as some lights require them.

SF or XX, take care and good luck.

Well I dont agree that Duracell is better than SF. If you read the link that Illum provided you see that a sf and a cheapo batt from china were used to gether. Gee, it doesent take a rocket scientist to see which one is the bad one. Good luck with your lith ions though!!

 

[Lightguy27]

So basically I started this thread to find answers, and this is what Ive got. It doesent matter what kind of cell you have, each has the potential for danger. Whether they be Li-Ions or rcr123's or what ever. Some brands however are high quality and so far have kept the danger to just potential. Use care in your batts, dont mistreat them because even the best made cells(Surefire,Duracell etc...) can be dangerous if precautions are not taken. So the morale of the story is dont buy batterys just for their low price because somtimes, you get what you pay for, and that could end up costing you more than just money . And no matter what batts you have, treat them carefully and be safe!!

 

[Illum]

One thread is one too many. No Duracell incident reported meant Duracell better than SF!

erm....even though they are both cr123As, comparing a surefire to a duracell's like comparing an orange to a grapefruit...sure they look the same [at least in my yard, but] if you look over at 123 cell protection anatomy revealed you will see that Surefire cells don't look like a Duracell on the inside at all
just because Duracell accidents aren't reported doesn't mean it doesn't happen

It seems in this thread that two brands were used together in the flashlight. And it also looks like the China cell exploded creating a chain reaction with the SF cell.

the threader left too much questions unanswered, but NewBie cited it as an example of Surefire cell venting, and I'm not going to argue against his expertise.:candle:

it was because of this that NewBie created the "123A testing/links" thread [essentially a huge post] and increased the awareness of the community about the hazards of mixing cells....but then again, the incident may have killed some pelican M6 sells

Have there been cases where the light explodes where we know it wasn't user error?

probably the controlled NewBie did.....using battery stations and a TL2 lamp
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1496864&postcount=1

what defines user error and whats not? it seems that the cases have been reported here the light is either not functioning [the pelican threads, scorpion], venting right after discharge [alph1, M6, my own experience], or during discharge [a E2E thread somewhere]
I agree that user error could easily have caused the destruction...but its the fact that theres no predictable reason what causes a cell to that worries me :sweat:

btw, my own experience was a friendly venting of a surefire cell, which was designed to do so. [I had my fenix P1-CE turned to on and had it submerged under water...whereby it BURPED sending a big bubble through the o-rings, followed by cell shutdown.