I'm not trying to start anything but I've read this exact post on this forum several times from several people haha.
Well, he did go on a break every day - twice a day. Could've met a lot of people during all those breaks. 😄
I'm not trying to start anything but I've read this exact post on this forum several times from several people haha.
When i first started posting here i had more of the impression that surefire was hated by most people rather than protected by them. I never really paid attention to any of that though. I've always had good experiences with the company and while having a warranty repair done at their headquarters, spent a half hour talking with an old English guy out front in the rain. We started to chat about weapon lights and he went into a mind numbing explanation on excessive lumen output and the way it affects your situational awareness, especially when indoors... causing tunnel vision, among other things. The guy was fascinating and after about 30 minutes he said "oh... break time is up. the good thing about being the boss is there's nobody to get mad at you when you get lost in conversation". I then realized i had not introduced myself, and after i did he replies that he's Dr. Peter Hauk, and gave me his card. Though i only spoke with him for a short while, i can confidently say he was one of the most brilliant men i've ever met. I hear he passed away two years ago.
I'm not trying to start anything but I've read this exact post on this forum several times from several people haha.
knucklegary,@bigburly912 .. Deja vu! I'm not sure if it's the same OP,, but it's a nice story
Honestly, there were a few members (non-Admins./non-Moderators) who very strongly disagreed with some of my criticisms of SureFire and certain SF models, back in the day. That mentality lasted well past 2006. No comments that I'd call extremely severe. And shutting up the haters was easy enough.The period I speak of was before 2006. And it was not that management would outright ban a member for disagreeing that SureFire the greatest but that other members would lash out, ridicule, flame, troll, whatever it's called... the non SureFire worshipping member either until they said "screw this place I'm gone" or would in relatiation produce an attempted argument using perrsonal attacks or other behavior that resulted in the member being removed due to behavior policies.
I was referring to the post where the guy said word for word what several here over the years have about meeting "the man" at surefire. For some reason my quotes didn't work and then the forum died.This is true, to a point. Surefire had filed class action lawsuits against several flashlight makers here in the US.
China was untouchable. This all came about in January 2012 during the Shotshow. The supenias were handed out to
the US attendee's, most of which had a presence there.
This is what drove the 4Sevens changes from the Quark and all legacy lights to the newer MKII's that all had anodized
threads that conformed to the twisty head feature that changed modes. That is also why David had sold off his entire
legacy 4Sevens inventory at bargain prices.
There were several CPF members that disliked the how, and when, Surefire had chosen to enforce their patented
technologies, which included 4Sevens legacy dual mode head tight and head loose that allowed two mode groups.
Surefire here on CPF's compares to Emerson knives on the Usual Suspect Network forum. They both were early supporters
and drove both forums with interested members into what we have today. I am speculating that Surefire was the top
choice for hosts that CPF members used to create their modded flashlights, back then.
Take Care
GL
No Worries.I was referring to the post where the guy said word for word what several here over the years have about meeting "the man" at surefire. For some reason my quotes didn't work and then the forum died.
In the US they were, In Canada at the time they were the most expensive. A 12 pack from the local supply was around $90. When Cabela's finally arrived here I think the price dropped down to $54 for a 12 pack. I remember ordering the Energizer bulk packs from Battery Junction and it worked out to around $3.30 per cell by the time I paid shipping and customs fee's. When they came out with true 3v rechargeable's that was a game changer except often with a further reduced runtime. I want to say runtime with a standard P60 dropped to 40 minutes on 2 rechargeable cells?
I think it had more to do with some sort of shipping arrangements between SF and their authorized retailers. Prices for SF and Streamlight products were always much higher here and I was told because they had to buy direct from them at MSRP prices. Of course they then had to charge more to make a profit. It made no sense as I could buy a light from a US vendor, have it shipped and pay less than local even with the dollar mark up and extra customs charges. Eventually SF caught on then made it so US vendors could not ship SF products outside of the US. Legally a civilian can still ship a US purchased light out of the country though.Many have been here long enough to remember SF's inventiveness back in the days before they were able to ramp up the manufacturing and sales of their own branded CR123s.
At the time, SF absolutely was willing to subsidize the cost of CR123s, as a way to both promote the popularity of lithium primaries and to increase their overall flashlight market share. The problem was, the established, big name battery manufacturers wouldn't allow SF to sell their CR123s directly to the consumer at such large markdowns.
This prompted some outside-the-box thinker at SF to come up with the idea for the "hurricane lamp". IIRC, it was twelve CR123 batteries set in a plastic box (arranged in three rows of four) that were wired together to power a very small, not particularly bright, bulb set in the center of the case. There was a simple on-off slider and, according to the official marketing language of the day, it would provide a useable level of light for an extremely long time in the event of a power outage, hurricane or other natural disaster.
In reality though, it was an ingenious way to get fresh CR123's in the hands of their customers for roughly the same subsidized price they had been forbidden from selling the batteries alone. In this case though, SF could tell the battery manufacturers that they were selling a flashlight that just happened to come with batteries included. Genius.
Thank you. I sincerely appreciate that.Monocrom, I know you could be grumpy at times but I don't think I ever found technical fault with any of your posts; a 'straight shooter' for sure. Cheers.
I'm sorry, but coming from the single biggest critic of SureFire on CPF from years back; that was just a rumor started by the haters. I know because not once did I get banned, suspended, admonished, or even given a hazy warning to back off of my negative SF-related comments by any Admin. or moderator.
Didn't happen a single time. "Bought the SureFire _______ model. There's an issue with it. Here it is...."
Not once did anyone try to muzzle me. Criticism wasn't the problem. You could do that to any brand. If it was blatantly obvious that someone was bashing just for the sake of doing so, well that was a different story. Greta would give offenders numerous chances to comply with the rules. She was never a wall-flower. Wouldn't put up with anyone trying to push her around. Lots of respect to her for that. Those members who got perma-banned brought it upon themselves.