McGizmo's 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

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McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

I received Don’s 2-stage E2E LOTC HA-nat switch (referred to here as the “Mc2SW”) and tested it with the following heads:

KL4
KL1
PR-T917
KL1 mod 5w
KL4 mod 1W 700mA
E2E MN03 & P60


Testing and operation

Although testing in a dark rural setting was not possible the 1.5 acre lawn of a relative’s Long Island residence served as an adequate substitute. The remaining tests were conducted indoors in an urban setting. All listed lights were tested but most of the time was spent with the L4 and PR-T.

The switch's low setting was roughly estimated at 60 ohms (80mA) ±20% making it much dimmer than the full setting but still brighter than a fresh ARC AAA. This was found to be appropriate for use during a dark night with dark-adapted eyes. The sudden transition to full power did not significantly affect night vision as long as the beam was directed at least 10 feet away at a non-reflective surface. The transition from off to low to high was intuitive, smooth and instantaneous and was accomplished with moderate thumb tip pressure or firm thumb pad pressure.

For general walking the KL4 was preferred to the PR-T because of its broader beam but the dimmed PR-T beam cut through the darkness with surprising power.

The other lights were briefly tested and the switch functioned flawlessly with all of them. The switch worked like a “normal” stock switch when used with the two incandescent lamps.


Operational details

The Mc2SW is even more versatile than it first appears. This versatility will be described in terms of modes of operation

1 Full lock-out mode

This is achieved by a very slight cc bezel rotation, about 1/8 turn in my tests.


2 Functional lock-out mode

Although technically the Mc2SW is a non-lockout switch (NLOTC) requiring slight bezel counter-rotation for full lock-out, real life usage tells a different story. When counter- rotated until just rearward of the o-ring (approx one full rotation short of removal) the switch requires very strong pressure to work and although not 100% secure can be considered to be functionally locked out.


3 Stealth mode

Under certain circumstances the user may wish to avoid inadvertent transition to full on (high), preferring only off or dim. This can be achieved by advancing the tailcap until it engages the o-ring, then fine tuned by further rotation according to individual preference and hand strength.


4 Normal mode

In Normal mode the tailcap is set for the full sequence of off/dim/high. To set for easiest actuation advance the tailcap until just before actuating dim. This will enable dual stage function using the least amount of pressure.


5 Low-High mode

This mode is ideal for walking or hiking on dark nights requiring steady illumination with easiest access to instant full-on. Set this by rotating the tail cap until low is actuated and continue rotating until just before high comes on. This will provide many hours of steady low level light with high actuated by the barest touch of thumb pressure. This mode easily accommodates “syringe” position where the light is held between two fingers and actuated by pressure against the palm. Some users consider this the most natural and comfortable way to hold a “tactical” tailswitch light.


6 Preset mode

Although bezel lockout may seem to be a slight inconvenience to the novice user, it actually enhances the Mc2SW’s versatility by adding yet another option. This mode permits carry in full lock-out mode with instant access to any one of the former modes. It is achieved by rotating the tailcap until the preferred mode is established, then set and locked with bezel lock-out.


Comments

Over several days of testing, tailcap and bezel settings remained secure when carried clipped to a left front pocket or clipped to an address book in a right rear pocket.The only potential instability might be shown in Functional Lockout mode because of the relatively loose tailcap.

This Mc2SW provided a relatively dim low beam; other users may prefer a brighter or even dimmer low. TK and mod options will presumably be available in the future.


Conclusion

Although a light with multiple brightness settings may be more versatile than a two-stage light, the Mc2SW enables literally instant light level selection via a tactically located tailcap switch on the smallest and lightest available 2x123 and 3x123 flashlight bodies (Surefire, UBH, etc) accommodating a large variety of commercially and custom made LED heads of varying voltages and capacities while maintaining compatibility with many incandescent lamps.

Thus, Don McLeish’s two-stage switch emerges as a unique product and a valuable contribution to the evolution of flashlight technology.

Brightnorm
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

Sounds great! Good job, Don!

Brightnorm, what would you say the low beam brightness estimation is? You posted it was brighter than an Arc AAA; how about an Opalec, or some other common benchmark?
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

Excellent review Brightnorm. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

Excellent review for me.
Also I have a Mc2s two stage,and this rewiew can help me to a correct use.

Pietro.
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

Phaserburn,

I'll try some comparisons tonight if possible. Remember this was my particular 2-stage. Others may be brighter or dimmer depending on Don's plans.

Brightnorm
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

I think that,the McE2s run very well.It is a great addition for every flashlight,and it is very easy to use,no laborious setting,all simple and ready,a stupid proof switch.

Pietro.
 
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Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

Aah, I see. Thanks, Brightnorm. This goes back to McG's comments on needing data with different resistor values with different heads/batteries setups. I have an L4/pila 168; brightness will be different when using 2x123's.
 
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BrightNorm,

Thanks for the review and comments! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

As far as the low level and its comparison to other lights, this will depend not only on the current resulting from resistor chosen but the reflector or optic on the front end. For instance, with the PR(T) and a ~70 mA output on low, the throw will walk over any of the 5 mm LED light's I have seen and can even compete with some of the lower driven and older 1W Luxeons behind some of the optics. It's really amazing how far that dim little spot can reach! With a KL4 reflector or the so17xa reflector, I believe you will still see more throw and overall output than from a 3x 5mm LED light.

The internal switch itself will work in the standard LOTC tail cap that BN and Gladius have prototypes of (obviously) but it will also work in my new guarded tail cap being machined at present and in the Z57 tailcap along with the guarded E2d version. There are variations on the boot retainers and in the case of the Z57's, a spacer. I am working on getting these things nailed down dimensionally but I really am constrained until I have final production components of the main switch body. I am told to expect these by mid month but I have learned through past experiences not to make promises on something I have no control over.

Two issues that have been present in my explorations so far are those of true lock-out and tension required to initiate both the low and high levels. On the Lock-Out, as BN has stated, for certainty, the head should be loostened just a bit. In the case of a guarded switch, either the guard that I am having made or the E2d's Z57, I believe true Lock Out will be achievable without exposing the O-ring and since the button is guarded, it is somewhat moot anyway. We are still a good ways away from being able to provide a complete turn key switch wothout stealing some components from a SF LOTC and in some cases making some modifications; specifically to the stock boot jam nut.

On the issue of the spring tension, SF has provided different strength springs through the years with the newest ones being the stiffest ones, or so I have been led to believe. SOme of these stiff ones are a bit of a PITA to activate momentary high from the off position. I have been in contact with a spring manufacturer and hope to receive samples of a spring next week that should hopefully be stiff enough to keep the battery in place but still softer in compression than the stock SF spring. My goal would be to approach the activation forces found in the L1/A2 switches or even softer if possible. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif

As soon as I have the two production pieces of the switch body itself, I will take photographs of them along with the PCB, separation spring and O-rings and contact spring. I will post a web page on my site with a hopefully detailed and functional explaination of the parts and how they work. Their containment within the various caps as well as required parts will be shown and explained as well.

One final note that I just remembered and was pointed out by Big Honu who also has a prototype, is the witness marks. In the modification of these tailcaps to two stage, the witness marks should be trusted as much as a drunk, blind, deaf, and dumb witness would be at the scene of an accident. If the witness marks do provide you with a clear indication of the various stages of the switch, consider buying a lottery ticket! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

I spelled Don's name incorrectly in my revue and corrected it to

Don McLeish

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/whoopin.gifBrightnorm/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

Great review, great switch! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

brightnorm,

I hope you don't mind me jumping in on your awesome review here, but I also wanted to humbly submit my $.02.

In a email to McGizmo:

McGizmo Prototype 2-Stage Switch Feasibility with Step-up Converters

Attempt to review the prototype 2-stage “Hi-Lo” in appearance, function, and output of a resistored (sp?) low setting in tandem with a step-up converter.

Setup: E1e host, BB700, PR-T, Lux III, modified 2-stage LOTC

Period of review: 4 days

Description and Fit:
The modified SF LOTC appears to be a stock piece from outward appearances. Lock out function is lost. The only difference I could find was a different type of spring (step taper vs. the stock constant taper) used, but cannot tell if it is a different stock spring, or an aftermarket piece.

The tailcap leaves a larger gap (1/16”) between itself and the rim of the body vs. the normal switch (1/32”) which is not a big difference, but is noticeable. The o-ring is covered, so water resistance should remain similar to the stock cap.

Operation:
Day 1 observations
Similar in function to the A2 switch, but the modified switch has a much shorter stroke. Switch actuation initially required a firm push to get to high mode. Felt much more stiff than an A2 or stock LOTC: weight needed to activate the switch measured about 1lb 12oz for low and 3lbs12oz for high. Very finicky out of the box. With the marks on the body and tailcap aligned, the light would get stuck in constant “on” mode about 1 in 15-20 presses, especially when the switch was struck with an off-axis hit to the button. Wiggling the tailcap between thumb and forefinger will cause the light to flicker or temporarily activate. Backing off the cap to the 10:30 position remedies both problems, though some may be bothered by the cosmetic “flaw”, and that the light only functions normally with the marks misaligned. The short turn to get to constant on modes are very nice. I can get to constant high with one motion.

Day 2 observations
With marks on body and cap misaligned, the switch is working well, though still stiff compared to the A2. I sat down and put the switch through a couple hundred cycles or so, and it seemed that the pressure required to activate the switch had decreased a bit. I noticed that if the button is pressed slightly off axis, the light will flicker in high mode.


Day 3 observations
Using Teflon or plumber’s tape around the threads for the tailcap got rid of the problems associated with wiggling the tailcap and problems with the light latching on. Now I can line up the marks with none of the quirkiness seen on day 1. This is a temporary fix that must be done fairly often, especially if one uses the constant on modes with frequency, as the tape tears. Another idea would be to use another o-ring in tandem with the stock one. It seems that the effort needed to press the button is getting less and less. The light is becoming very easy to operate, and more importantly more consistent and reliable. Dunked the light in the on position in 6in of water for 35 minutes with no leaks at the switch/body junction.

Day 4 observations
I verified that the effort needed to press the button has decreased by measuring the weight needed to activate the switch again: 10-11oz for low and 2lbs for high. The light is now extremely easy to operate and has become very consistent and reliable. I guess a break-in period was all that was needed. I really like the product in this state.

Output
Low setting is VERY similar to my L1-PR-T DB917mod. The low on the BB may be just a hair brighter (at least my wife thinks so) but is pretty hard to tell. This level is very useful, and the PR makes it a rather impressive “low” setting. The corona is still strong enough for me to maneuver in small to middle sized rooms with ease. Outside on the grass, and darker surfaces, the corona is useful enough to allow deliberate/cautious maneuvering. The spot is surprisingly strong while maintaining a decent tint. I can make out lighter colors/tones (pinks, yellows, light blues, etc.) from 30’ away. At this distance though, I lose the reds, blues, and violets as they just appear black. My informal runtime tests using new SF cells and a control light to compare output shows the high setting to go a little over 30 minutes at peak output, and about 15 hours for the low setting at peak output.

Conclusion
After a break-in period, and some PTFE tape (I'll try and get a second o-ring onto the tail of the light to see if that works out), the prototype has become a real gem to use both in its mechanical function and output. The high seems pretty close to DB917 and of course throws a beam just as nicely. In this particular application my ideal output would be a higher low setting, but as it stands, it is a VERY useful output that runs for a good length of time. I think the separation between the high and the low will not disappoint, and if you decided to stick with this particular resistor level on step-ups, I would not hesitate to buy this on my next step-up mod.

Aloha

Brian

After this review was done, the switch has settled in even more, and is getting very close to the L1/A2 switch in feel. Also, to reiterate Don's point on comparing the low output to other lights, it really depends on the combination of output and reflector/optic used. my low will throw further than any 5mm led light I have, and even reach out farther than my Arc LS1 (the old style with removeable bezel) by a very good margin. The Arc still puts out 2xmore light, but in a different pattern. The reach on my low setting is very impressive.

I can't wait for the guarded version!

Brian
 
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A really great little switch wonder, agreed /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif !!!!!!!
This is a small revolution for all our beloved lights that takes them into the next age ...

The feel of quality and durability of this tailcap are outstanding!
And frankly, who needs more than two modes in little ligths anyway? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif

Don rulez !

bernhard
 
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Very nice review... I can't wait to get one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

-Mike
 
Re: McGizmo\'s 2-stage gem: Even better than you thought

Brian,

Excellent review.

Brightnorm
 
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Brian,

This simply reconfirms everything I've been hoping for is fact. After all, what is a McLux now without a Mc2SW? LOL
Definately in the queue for it!

--Bob
 
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This looks perfect for the L4.
 
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