Miniwave EXTREME - Re-mod with lots of pics

MrNaz

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I've already modded my Princeton Tec Miniwave LED once. I removed the Maxbright LEDs and replaced them with SSC P4s from DX. That was successful, and yielded more light, however the light was a slightly unpleasant tint of green, and I was still not happy, because, well, I just wasn't. So I decided that the Miniwave would undergo a second, more major operation.

It is powered by 4x C-cell batteries, I was originally intending to replace them with LiIon C-cell batteries. However, charging them would be a pain, and I'd lose my ability to use cheap alkalines if I was in a bind. Thus, sticking with a 4.8V voltage source seemed the best thing to do.

I wanted to replace the 3 emitters altogether this time, with 4 Cree XRE R2-WGs and Cree optics. I'm a fan of this combo; great light output, nice tint and good beam pattern for diving.

I could have gone parallel and direct drive with a resistor, but that wasn't extreme enough. Also, I don't like light output decreasing with battery discharge. So eventually I settled on using 4 independent single chip AMC7135 boards each powering a single LED at 350mA. The battery pack voltage would always be in the range of regulation for these boards, meaning that I would get great light output, very constant over the battery discharge cycle.

I tested one emitter on a small heat spreader to ensure that the heat output of an XR-E at 350mA was not too high for the puny attempt at heat management that Princeton have made in the Miniwave's head assembly. It seemed fine, but I'd only know for sure by testing it in place.

So, it was time to build. Here's what happened:

Here is the original assembly taken out of the housing. There is no cosmetic difference to an original one, as the only change at this stage was the changing of the Maxbrights for the P4s.
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Once disassembled, you can see the various components of the assembly. Ignore the empty tube of epoxy in the foreground :) Note the emitter cup on the right.
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Here are the emitters, about to be mounted in the metal cup that doubles as a heat spreader. The white paste is Arctic Alumina thermal epoxy. And no, it's not a good idea to stop what you're doing to take photos while your epoxy is in a working state. :poke:
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The emitters, once they have been mounted in the cup, and the optics placed on them.
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I removed the optics, so I could wire the emitters up. Here's a shot of the wired emitters, with the optics and buck boards behind. To the left you can see the old emitter array, looking forlorn like a factory worker who just got sacked.
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Wiring the emitters was a challenge, there wasn't a huge amount of space in the head cavity, nowhere near as much as I though there'd be. So I had to keep the wire lengths to a minimum, which posed a huge challenge when soldering. Eventually, after two minor burns on my fingers, I used a third hand device and tweezers to get into the fine bits and keep my hands at a safe distance from the soldering iron.
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The fully reassembled head. The original head was held together with screws, now occluded by the emitters. So I held it on with a few small dabs of epoxy which should hold it but still allow me to break it apart, should I need to. Time for testing! :popcorn:
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I tested it with my benchtop power supply. At 4.8V it drew 1.35A, constant right down to 4.0V. 10 minutes of burn time at 4.5V didn't seem to heat the assembly up even to the point where it was uncomfortable to touch. Woo hoo! :thumbsup:

Back in the dive light and ready to log some bottom time!
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Here's the beam pattern. As you can see, I haven't aligned the optics extremely carefully, I'll do that and then epoxy them in place. The beam pattern is what I expected from these optics, nice and smooth hotspot with spill falling off dramatically.
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I can't wait to dive with my newly made over light! My Miniwave was already usually the brightest light on dive days, and now it's much brighter, with far better optics.

The Miniwave is a popular torch, I can't wait to run into another dive who has one :nana:

I hope that was useful to someone, let me know what you think guys :)

P.S., Yes everyone, I have a fetish for epoxies.
 
What lumen output do you think it is?

Well the R2 XR-E emitters are rated at about 115lm @350mA. As far as I can tell, they're being run very close to this level, so I'd guess the torch puts out 450-460 lumens.

However, I can tell you that the light claimed 300 lumens when it was standard. The first mod I did, replacing the original emitters with 3x SSC P4s made it far brighter than that. This 4x R2 mod makes the 3 P4s look tiny in comparison. So while it's only putting out 450 or so lumens, the nice beam pattern and the WG emitters (in my opinion the WG and WH are the best tint bins for dive lights) make it look far brighter than other torches that supposedly put out more light.

I'm thinking of building more like this and selling them on dive boards. The hardest part will be convincing people just how bright they are. I'd sell them for about the $300US mark, and they'd outshine most lights under $1,000. Plus, the Miniwave is a nicely built torch. Strong plastic with good build quality, good pressure seals.

They are great for traveling. They use regular C-cell batteries, either NiMH or even normal alkalines you can buy anywhere in the world. I expect over 3 hours burn time with this on a fresh set at full brightness the whole time, and then another hour or so dimming as the batteries finally deplete.
 
I'm thinking of building more like this and selling them on dive boards. The hardest part will be convincing people just how bright they are.


Post a few underwater beamshots and you may consider one sold.
 
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Yes, I am familiar with the Miniwave.

Here's my mod to the same torch, actually I used the older incandescent version which you can buy for as little as $50 on sites like joediveramerica.com. It's the same housing and switch base, but without the LEDs and heat spreader cup. Instead it uses a single bulb and reflector which you discard.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=265513

The LED is a Terralux TLE-300, ready made for maglite upgrades (which they claim 700 lumens ($75, batteryjunction.com). Extra heat sinking is by glueing a piece of metal and a ring of metal nuts. You need the higher voltage of the Li-ion's to make this work, but the upside is it probably pumps out more light.

I'm thinking...You could use the diameter as you have; 4 LEDs and lenses, with a big slab of heat-sink behind them, have the C cell Li-ion's and drive them at a higher current to exceed the output of the Terralux. The only trouble is the Miniwave is not a good heat transferrer to the outside.
 
I'm thinking...You could use the diameter as you have; 4 LEDs and lenses, with a big slab of heat-sink behind them, have the C cell Li-ion's and drive them at a higher current to exceed the output of the Terralux. The only trouble is the Miniwave is not a good heat transferrer to the outside.
Given that the Miniwave is a sealed plastic housing, heat sinking isn't the thermal problem; it's heat dissipation.

With current LED technology, I think this mod represents the most light that you can get out of a Miniwave. Trying to get more will result in thermal issues. This host is a little old and dinged, so when it's time for retirement, I may try replacing two of the 350mA bucks with 700mA ones, but I doubt that the Miniwave's design will take kindly to such abuse.
 
Agreed.

I also find that when heat is trapped in a container with Li-ions they can reduce in capacity by up to 20%.

Not half the 'heatsinkdissipation' of the old Maglite.
 
Ohh yes forgot to say that this is a sweet mod, I have a sunlight C8 (http://www.uwkinetics.com/product/11#colors) myself and have long thought of modding in a similar way with 4x XR-E R2. I thought of using a setup where the LEDs are 2 and 2 parallel so that I could use two 1050mA (3xAMC7135) boards or two 700mA (2xAMC7135) boards to drive the four LEDs (thus driving each LED at either 500mA or 350mA).

I would try to make it so that I could shift between the two brightnesses instead of shifting between the two xenon bulbs. I know it will require LEDs with similar Vf (at least two and two) so I probably need to buy some extra but is this a bad idea? And do you think 500mA is okay from what you have seen with the 350mA?

Sorry if this is a stupid idea I'm still a novice :sssh:
 
Ohh yes forgot to say that this is a sweet mod, I have a sunlight C8 (http://www.uwkinetics.com/product/11#colors) myself and have long thought of modding in a similar way with 4x XR-E R2. I thought of using a setup where the LEDs are 2 and 2 parallel so that I could use two 1050mA (3xAMC7135) boards or two 700mA (2xAMC7135) boards to drive the four LEDs (thus driving each LED at either 500mA or 350mA).

I would try to make it so that I could shift between the two brightnesses instead of shifting between the two xenon bulbs. I know it will require LEDs with similar Vf (at least two and two) so I probably need to buy some extra but is this a bad idea? And do you think 500mA is okay from what you have seen with the 350mA?

Sorry if this is a stupid idea I'm still a novice :sssh:

I'm wary of using LEDs in parallel, unless I test the Vf of every one of them and ensure that they are matched. It's far better to design around current rather than voltage. This is why I started with Vbatt = 4.5V-5V and then used parallel buck drivers to step down to whatever current each LED delivered.

I always prefer to have my LEDs in series, if I'm going to be driving multiple LEDs from a single driver. This is not always possible, but it's my preference.
 
I've just done a 20 minute burn test of the Miniwave. After this time, the light's casing became warm to the touch. Opening it and feeling the heat spreader, it was uncomfortably hot to the touch. It would seem that running this light with more power would not be a good idea. I think that 350mA to each emitter is the max power that could safely be used in this housing.

I've ordered 3 of these lights which should arrive shortly. If anyone wants me to build them one of these babies, let me know. I've got one black, one blue and one yellow.

Price is $280 + shipping.
 
I've just done a 20 minute burn test of the Miniwave. After this time, the light's casing became warm to the touch. Opening it and feeling the heat spreader, it was uncomfortably hot to the touch. It would seem that running this light with more power would not be a good idea. I think that 350mA to each emitter is the max power that could safely be used in this housing.

I've ordered 3 of these lights which should arrive shortly. If anyone wants me to build them one of these babies, let me know. I've got one black, one blue and one yellow.

Price is $280 + shipping.

Thanks very much for that info. Can I ask if the test was done in water or don't you think it would matter since the case is plastic...

/Magnus
 
Thanks very much for that info. Can I ask if the test was done in water or don't you think it would matter since the case is plastic...
The test was done in air. I don't think that in-water will make a big difference because the case is plastic. I will do another test for a full hour to ensure that it stabilized at that temperature, but I don't think that it will be a problem. The heat spreader was pretty hot, but it did not feel like it was in the danger zone. I'm quite confident that the current design will be OK for the full burn time, but I'll report back in one day.
 
Yea, so I decided to do it right now hehe.

This test was conducted as a one hour run time, with the light resting on its bezel facing down. After one hour the following was noted:
- Outside housing was warm to the touch.
- LEDs were not discolored at all, no blue.
- The inside assembly was quite hot.
- There was no apparent damage to any components, and a wiggling of all bonds indicated them to remain firm.

Because I had the light resting on the bezel, heat was not able to escape via radiation from the front. In normal operation, a significant amount of heat would be dissipated through the front glass both by conduction (the glass itself was warm) and by radiation (you can actually feel the heat from a focused 3W LED). So this test was a test under the worst possible case scenario.

In addition, it is worth noting that after one hour of continuous run time, I did not notice a decrease in brightness. In other words, the circuit design is working perfectly in keeping the brightness uniform over the life of the batteries.

I think I can safely conclude that the light design is fine to run in both air and water continuously. I will post in the B/S/T forums so that anyone interested can let me know.
 
I've just received a shipment of 4 Miniwaves. Surprisingly, the new version seems to put out a little bit more light than my second mod, however with a far inferior beam pattern. It has a larger hotspot, more spill and some ugly rings.

However, on fresh NiMH cells, the head assembly gets very hot. When I took it out of the housing, it was almost too hot to touch. I measured that they are putting 900mA or so through the parallel LEDs at 5V.

I've modified one more, this time with 2x 350mA drivers and 2x 700mA drivers. It's easily brighter than the standard Miniwave, and heat output seems to be about the same. While I would assume that the designers are OK with this, it's not something I'm comfortable with. I think that 3x 350mA + 1x 700mA may be slightly better, it should match the standard configuration, without the heat problem.

Other reasons my mod is better than the standard:

  1. Brightness is constant as I'm using regulated circuitry instead of a bare resistor to manage the current.
  2. Battery life is far longer:

  • 4x 350mA = Close to 5h
  • 2x 350mA + 2x 700mA = Around 3h I guess, possibly near 4h
  • Standard Miniwave = 2h at most (and that's being generous)
Once I've done a dive test with these lights to make sure that they're safe with long burn times, I'll put the 3 extras I have up for sale once they're modded with what I find is the best configuration.
 
They are great for traveling. They use regular C-cell batteries, either NiMH or even normal alkalines you can buy anywhere in the world. I expect over 3 hours burn time with this on a fresh set at full brightness the whole time, and then another hour or so dimming as the batteries finally deplete.


Is this light equally bright on both alkalines and NiMH?
 
Long time lurker...


Great mod!!! Instead of buying a new light just yet, I've decided to try and mod my Pelican Nemo 4C... It has a superweak (compared to my new work lights... Jetbeam MIII) Xenon lamp.

I'd like to do a similar mod as yours w/ only 3 lamps, and keep the ability to use 4 C alkaline or NiMH down the road. This would be my first foray into flashlight mods so I'd like to keep it straightforward.

Here's a few pics of my light, do you foresee any major problems with this platform for a similar mod to yours? My goal is to add light output and keep it stable, nothing to hot or crazy! and I don't mean to hijack, just that the Miniwave appears to be the most similar in size and function to mine.

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Thanks!
 

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