Need an underground light

joanne

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Hi all! Thank you to those who put together this questionnaire! It's a great deal of help to those of us who have an idea of what we want, but simply don't know the right information to provide to get accurate recommendations.

I am currently looking for two different flashlights so I will post in two separate threads.

I want this light for a very specific use. I like to explore old mines and this will be my helmet mounted backup light. My primary light is an Apex Pro headlamp so I would prefer to stick with CR123 batteries. I would like a minimum of two light levels. (High to punch through some of the large stopes, and low for long run time if the primary light goes out). Since I consider this a "life support" device, quality is more important than price.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations and advice.

Joanne



1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
_X__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____Less than $25.
____Less than $50.
_X__Less than $100.
____Less than $150.
____Less than $300.
____I have no limit.
____I'm flexible, tell me what you gotJ.
____Other, please specify ________


3) Format:

_X__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a dive light.
____I want a portable spotlight.


4) Flashlight-specific format/size:

____Keychain size.
_X__Every day carry small (2-4 inches).
____Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).
____Holster carry.
____Big enough to need its own travel caseJ.
_X__I don't care.
____I don't know.
____N/A


5) Emitter/Light source:

_X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

_X__I want to buy a light from a traditional mass producing manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would consider getting a light that is pieced together (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source). Under the right circumstances, this path can provide more options to the consumer to meet specific needs, and can often be easily upgradeable as technology improves.


7) What battery type do you want to use?

____I intend to use alkaline batteries (AAA, AA, C, D) (disclaimer, while it does not preclude all choices, these are not recommended for many of today's most powerful lights)
____I intend to use rechargeable nickel chemistry (NiCad, NiMH, NiZn)
_X__I intend to use lithium primary batteries (CR123, CR2, Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA)
____I intend to use rechargeable lithium (li-ion) chemistry. Feel free to specify a size if you know which size you want (14500, RCR123/16340, 17500, 17670, 18650, etc.)
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery. (Note: these choices may be very limited unless you are looking at spotlights)


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (0-10 lumens).
____I want to walk around an unlit rural area (50-150 lumens).
_X__I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want ridiculous amounts of lumens (800+ lumens).


9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.

____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
_X__50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I want maximum throw possible)


Note: I would also like enough "spill" to be able to have some peripheral lighting so it doesn't act as a "light saber".


10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
_X__90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
_X__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
_X__I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
_X__I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
_X__I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Blinks to show location.)
____I want SOS mode.
____I want a beacon mode.
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
_X__I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
Welcome to CPF joanne.
Some of the EagleTac models that run on 2 x cr123 would meet most if not all of your requirements. The T100C2 is one model that I can think of off the top of my head that you can check out.
 
Next question? I ignored #2, you should also.
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I would second the Ra. It is totally programmable, each of four modes can have their output's changed to any one of 22/23 output, three different strobes programmed in, etc.

These are extremely efficient lights. These lights use the unique nature of our eyes to both utilize maximum output, and ensure maximum runtime. The lights use a Burst mode, to fully illuminate objects, then after 10 seconds, exhibit a slight, albeit noticeable (actually very hard to see in use) drop in output. They will do their dropped output for 1+ hour straight, with no decline in output over that hour. Once the battery can no longer handle the current drain for the highest output, it will begin a series of step-downs, until it reaches a level of output the battery can handle.

The Ra series is one of the most durable, user-friendly lights out there. Their build quality and customer service reputation are on par with Surefire. I have been more than satisfied with my 140 narrow, and know that I will be a repeat customer.

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For underground, I would suggest looking at the High CRI model. Yes it's "only" 100 lumens, but the very good CRI level (93/100) means that colors will appear natural, and depth perception will more easily be maintained.

Check out this thread for beamshots, to see what I mean: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=286042
 
The Ra was the first light to come to mind for me as well.
You should also pick up a Fenix E01 as well and keep it in your pocket. Small, single AAA and LONG runtime if the unforseen happens. and only about $15!

Barry
 
The Ra series is one of the most durable, user-friendly lights out there. Their build quality and customer service reputation are on par with Surefire.
Some think they're even better than Surefire.
 
You can get a RA and stay in your budget if you get the EDC executive for $99 from Batterystation with 4 free CR123's and a battery caddy.

I'm a caver and when I was looking for a bomb-proof secondary light, I chose this one as the more expensive versions didn't seem to be worth the extra $$$ considering that it is essentially the same light and same quality.
 
Fenix PD30 or Fenix TK11 for a lil more flood with your throw. Both use cr123 batteries.
I haven't tried an eagletac, they look sharp. I own fenix, and I'd be using em if I was going into caves.
PD30 240 lumens
TK11 285 lumens
Otf is a little less but both are good throwers for their size
 
I've taken a Fenix TK11 underground with me and it's never had any issues. That said I'm switching to a Surefire G2L with the new KX4 head for that Surefire reliability but with a light I don't mind if it gets scratched/beaten up on rocks.
 
You might take a look at Peak lights as well. I haven't owned one but they have a large following here.

Barry
 
Some think they're even better than Surefire.


I'm going to go with "on par". I don't own any Surefire lights, but have had a chance to handle several, and was very impressed (E1L, L1, and I think an E2E, it was a few years ago at a Cabela's).

I will say that they are much more versatile.
 
Next question? I ignored #2, you should also.

I agree! I just wanted to put a stake in the ground so folks would have an idea of what my budget range is. I wouldn't mind spending $150 if it's a better light than one in the $75 category. I just don't want to waste money that I could use to go on my next exploring trip.

The reason I'm here is that I just don't know enough about these lights to make an informed decision and I don't want to spend a lot of money on a series of lights trying to figure out what meets my needs.

So, can you tell me a little about the light you pictured? Thanks!

Joanne
 
joanne,

others will soon tell you how great HDS / Ra flashlights are (and I agree), but I would like to elaborate on a different point:

You said that you like to explore old mines, so your life is on the line here, literally. The manufacturer of HDS is apparently caving himself too and he builds his lights to insane standards to make them as fail-safe as possible.
If caving were my hobby, I would buy the current top model HDS flashlight as my primary light. Much better built than most other flashlights, and for this you pay extra - but with activities like yours, it's worth it.

-Connor
 
I agree! I just wanted to put a stake in the ground so folks would have an idea of what my budget range is. I wouldn't mind spending $150 if it's a better light than one in the $75 category. I just don't want to waste money that I could use to go on my next exploring trip.

The reason I'm here is that I just don't know enough about these lights to make an informed decision and I don't want to spend a lot of money on a series of lights trying to figure out what meets my needs.

So, can you tell me a little about the light you pictured? Thanks!

Joanne


Check out my Reply's here:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3478802#post3478802

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3475294#post3475294

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3464334#post3464334

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Wow, I've really been pimipin' the Ra's lately... But every word is true! I love my Clicky!!!
 
Since others already talked about the reliability of your main light... first, I'd assume (I'm no caver myself) that like with diving you're never caving alone, so even if your primary and backup fail, you're not immediately endangered. If your primary light is sufficiently reliable, you'll probably carry the backup around for years without ever needing it, so I'd say get something that is small, light, sufficiently robust and has little to no battery drain when off (some of the electronically switched, i.e. multi-level, lights will draw current from the battery even when off. While this won't matter much if you swap batteries every month and might go unnoticed if ou swap batteries every year, it might lead to an unpleasant surprise if you need the backup after carrying it for a few years...).
From the few lights I know about, the Zebralights will fit the above. My wife uses the AA version in her job as a nurse (and loves it), one of the 123 versions might fit your requirements.

Bye
Markus
 
While this won't matter much if you swap batteries every month and might go unnoticed if ou swap batteries every year, it might lead to an unpleasant surprise if you need the backup after carrying it for a few years...).
Or simply take a moment to verify your gear is in working order before heading underground.
 
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