Please help me...I want to test WA 1274 & others, but Im afraid.

bigchelis

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Hi all,

I have tested my WA1185 for OTF lumen tests with topped off IMR 26500 cells, but the 2nd time I did that it fried.:shakehead


Now, I want to test the following with no soft-start and topped off IMR 26650 cells:

  • 1318 = 3 IMR 26650
  • 1274 = 2 IMR 26650
  • 1111 = 2 IMR 26650
Which one of my plans is a go? I hope at least the 1274 can be tested with topped off jumbo IMR cells.

Thank you,
bigC
 
I just went throught the pages of this thread:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=161536&page=4

Eccording to electroguru: WA 1274 should be okay, and it appears is the only cell I can test with no soft-start.

I've been keeping a log of my 26500 testing. This is with stock bodies and freshly charged cells:

2x - IMR26500 (7.4 - 8.4 volts)
3854 ROP Low - GOOD
3854 ROP High - :poof: (0.2 under?)
3853 ROP Low - GOOD
3853 ROP High - GOOD
Philips 5761 - :poof: (0.5 over)
WA 1111 - :poof: (0.1 over)
WA 1274 - GOOD (9.1 limit)
Osram 64250 - :poof: (0.3 over)
Osram 64275 - :poof: (0.3 over)
Osram 64430 - GOOD (10.9 limit)


3x - IMR26500 (11.1 - 12.6 volts)
WA 1331 - :poof: (0.6 over) identical as the 1318, so no testing 1318 with IMR 26650 cells.
WA 1185 - :poof: (0.3 over) <- safe after 24hr rest
WA 1166 - GOOD (14.1 limit)
 
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I run the 1274 with 2x26500 directly, if that's any help.


Thanks, now I will definitely test it for OTF lumens.

My hosts is a 2D stock Mag, with super short spring. It fits 2 IMR 26650 cells, which is why I wanted to test it as so.


Now, I might do the WA 1111 right after with the cells depleted a bit and record the input voltage and current.

bigC
 
The WA 1274 tested succesfully with topped off IMR 26650 cells in my 2D Mag.


With 2.88A at the tail it does 460.8 OTF lumens. Its down to 393.8 OTF at 3 minutes. I will update my OTF thread later on.


Now WA 1111 is next.lovecpf
 
:poof: in 3... 2... 1...


I ordered some DX protected C cells. Do you think these li-on C protected cells will be good for the WA111 and WA1318?


I know the WA1185 will for sure be safe with the protected DX C cells, since it survived once my topped off IMR 26500 cell.
 
I've run a WA1111 in an FiveMega G4 D26 Sunlight using 2xIMR26500 in a FiveMega host (with McClicky tail switch) with no instaflash. I've also successfully run a WA1331 in a Sunlight using 3xIMR16340 in an FM 2x18500 host body and Z41 tailcap.

Electronguru's data that you presented is confusing to me. I can't tell if he has actually tested the listed configurations or if he is claiming :poof: simply based on nominal Li-ion voltage vs instaflash voltage as measured and tabulated by Lux Luthor.

IMO, it depends. Lux's measurements are based on manually adjusting the input voltage from a bench power supply, through heavy gauge wires, to a bulb inserted into a Kiu socket. On the one hand, Lux's setup has probably the minimum parasitic resistance, and hence parasitic voltage drop. On the other hand, it is also the ultimiate "soft start".

So, how do those numbers translate to a real flashlight? Tough to say. A real flashlight could have enough parasitic resistances to drop the Vbatt to a safer level wrt instaflash. But even with some voltage drop, is the bulb ramp-up sufficiently gentle? Who knows? That can also depend on the statistical variation in the bulb filaments, as well as how close Vbulb is to Vflash.

It is clear, however, that the farther away you are from Lux's Vflash point, the safer you will be wrt instaflash (this shouldn't be a big revelation). The question is how far away is enough, since you probably want to balance safety from instaflash with high lumens output. Maybe secondarily, also consider two more variables -- filament life and heat generation. It seems to me that folks are using at least a 1V cushion below Vflash as a rule of thumb. For example, see Lux's practical guide to using his bulb tables.

So what low resistance mods, if any, are in your 2D Mag? Sometimes having some higher level of parasitic resistance can actually help you.
 
i run my 1185 of 3 18650, or 3 17670 cells, didn't :poof: yet.i have it in 4c mag, with fm ss socket, fm deep reflector, switch is stock. i once left it on for 30 min or so, when i went to pick it up, i almost burned myself, the head and the body past the switch got so hot i couldn't touch it, i was really surprised unprotected cells didn't blow up. they weren't even nearly as hot as the light was.
 
I have found the WA1111 driven by 6AA NiMH Eneloops to be a bit more robust than the WA1185 when driven by 9AA NiMH Eneloops. I have found them both to be vulnerable to instaflash when driven by IMR26650 cells, especially with modest resistance mods. Never played with the WA1274 and the WA1318. Without regulation the only bulb I have experienced that is extremely reliable when direct driven with 3 X IMR26650 is the FM1909. Forgive me my rants about this bulb but it rocks. Every time I turn it on its *chortle* FM1909 *chortle*.
 
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I have been running the WA 1111 off of two protected Li-ion C cells from DX without a flash. I don't hesitate to fully charge them and the host is an M6 with a shortened tailcap cup (from Petrev) and FM bi-pin holder.


Thanks for the info. I hope to get those DX Protected C cells in the next 7 days:party:

Then I could test the WA1185 and the WA111 with them. Of course a 2C Mag with FM bi-pin kit will be used for the WA1111. Along with a UCL AR coated lens and no resistance mod at all. I think a resistance mod will push these lamps over the edge and I don't want to fry another lamp.

bigC
 
I have been running the WA 1111 off of two protected Li-ion C cells from DX without a flash. I don't hesitate to fully charge them and the host is an M6 with a shortened tailcap cup (from Petrev) and FM bi-pin holder.

I had my hands burned early when I was playing with freshly charged Emoli cells driving WA1111 and WA1185 lamps. I would guess it depends alot on how much the particular Li-ion cells can deliver. In saying that my Emoli cells ( from dissasembled milwaukee battery packs ) and my batteryspace IMR26650 cells freshly charged can not safely direct drive my WA1111 and WA1185 based torches with my modest resistance mods.
 

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