Real World Hard Core 3 week light test with Fenix, Novatac, Surefire, UF - who won?

matrixshaman

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It wasn't quite a war zone but it seemed close. Over the last 3 weeks I found heavy use for my lights both day and night as we had no electricity and were dealing with a huge amount of things that needed moving and the destination had no electricity. I found myself picking my best lights and using them constantly for all sorts of tasks. I started out with a Fenix P2D LE on me but ended up dumping it for the Novatac 120P despite the slightly larger diameter that needed to fit in my Levi key pocket. It was worth it. The Novatac (and I'm sure my HDS would have worked as well) won the 'most valuable' light for my venture. I also found good use for the $23 DX Ultrafire 5 mode Rebel at times and it ended up tied to me most of the time in addition the the Novatac. Imagine being buried in a mountain of junk over 50 feet into tunnel of stuff you are climbing over with only one light. Despite my feeling the Novatac is ultra-dependable you never know when a battery is going to go out and some places just aren't made for changing batteries in the dark. So 2 lights EDC were a minimum. In 3 weeks of heavy use the Novatac went at least 8 or 9 days before I needed to replace the rechargeable battery with a spare RCR123 I had. To me that was amazing. The Fenix was okay but I got too annoyed with a couple of it's 'features' - the lack of different levels on the rechargeable and a more difficult to use switch with it's smooth sides. The Surefire L4 with it's Luxeon V did well too and it still amazes me how bright this light is in closer quarters. Inside rooms it's a fantastic amount of light that seems as bright or brighter than many of the new Cree, Seoul SSC and even Rebel LED's. Outside at any distance it loses out if you want any throw but it's a great substitute for a room light in smaller rooms and a great flood of pleasant even light. I really like the E2D tail switch on the L4 to make it easier to hang on to also.
The Ultrafire is the one with the side switch and that alone made it very handy for some tasks. It got a fair amount of use and made it the whole 3 weeks without needing a charge as I always tend to step it down to the lowest level I can use if high isn't needed. It throws like crazy and for a cheap light performed flawlessly - this is the FMR1 from DX with an RCR123. I won't say the Fenix was bad but since I've gone to nearly all rechargeable batteries it came in last out of the 4 I used the most. I also used my Wolf-Eyes Rattlesnake with an upgraded bulb a few times and eventually tested a lot of my other lights. It's great to be a flashaholic at times like this :D
I'd also like to add that the Novatac clip most people complained about really came out as a big positive feature for me in all this multi-faceted venture. It became obvious - at least to me - why it was built like it is. I did flatten mine just a little (message thread around here somewhere shows this little mod) but it was not much and having that type of clip made it so much better for clipping it to various heavier clothing and other items nearby when needed. Lower profile clips would not have worked as well. The other lights mentioned also all were good to have but if I had to do this all over again (and that's not going to happen :sick2: ) the Novatac (or HDS with my Ti clip mod) seemed to do it all and would definitely be the light of choice for such an extreme venture.
 
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Thanks for the read,...now you must really be 'Outside the Matrix'.
shows the importance of havin' back up batteries.

At least you can still get to CPF...:thumbsup:
 
I finally got electricity and Internet again this week. Great pleasure to have these 'basics' again sitting deep in a forest of tall pines, big oaks and other beauty. The ordeal to get here was well worth it.
 
Awesome writeup, glad to have you back.

This is pretty much confirming my increasing crush on my 120p, it is little bit by bit taking away my desire to try any other EDC lights out...
 
Awesome writeup, glad to have you back.

This is pretty much confirming my increasing crush on my 120p, it is little bit by bit taking away my desire to try any other EDC lights out...
Yeah an wait till you try out the "supernova" version..its a whole new animal.:naughty:
 
Interesting read and nice write up. I agree wholeheartedly. I love the Novatac and have said many times that if I would have to give up all my lights and keep only one, I would choose the Novatac 120P without a second thought.

I also like my Ultrafire EMR1 5 mode rebel. But don't trust it like I do the 120P.
 
Perhaps I haven't been keeping up on the Review forum but what happened that you were without power for 3 weeks digging through "stuff?":thinking:
 
Your test wasn't Hard Core at all! I expected some abuse with these lights. Just using them to light up objects and surroundings - hell, even my $2 plastic light can do that!:thumbsdow
Despite my feeling the Novatac is ultra-dependable you never know when a battery is going to go out and some places just aren't made for changing batteries in the dark.
Haha....yeah, try to change the batteries in the Novatac in pitch black conditions and having the battery spring fall out on you!!
In 3 weeks of heavy use the Novatac went at least 8 or 9 days before I needed to replace the rechargeable battery with a spare RCR123 I had
What level you had it on - 3 lumens? Try using it on max and see if it's a constant output and last you over 30min? From my experience, the Novatac on max has an output that is not constant and declines not steadily but in steps and IMO is not as good as any of the Fenix lights or even DX lights!!
and oh, does your Novatac flickers on low mode? If not, then you're one of the few lucky ones.
your test seems biased to me. Its obvious that you like the Novatac regardless of its flaws.:laughing:
 
Oh and next time when you write a review or anything, please use paragraphs. It makes reading a lot easier on the eyes.:broke:
 
Your test wasn't Hard Core at all! I expected some abuse with these lights. Just using them to light up objects and surroundings - hell, even my $2 plastic light can do that!:thumbsdow

Haha....yeah, try to change the batteries in the Novatac in pitch black conditions and having the battery spring fall out on you!!

What level you had it on - 3 lumens? Try using it on max and see if it's a constant output and last you over 30min? From my experience, the Novatac on max has an output that is not constant and declines not steadily but in steps and IMO is not as good as any of the Fenix lights or even DX lights!!
and oh, does your Novatac flickers on low mode? If not, then you're one of the few lucky ones.
your test seems biased to me. Its obvious that you like the Novatac regardless of its flaws.:laughing:
The NovaTac light is designed to 'step down' as the battery becomes depleted. It is one of the main design elements of the light, which serves to keep the user from having the light suddenly go dark.

Thanks for the real world review matrixshaman. It's sounds like quite an interesting situation, and one I'm not sure I would want to be in. I'm glad you had some good lights with you.
 
Skyline man,

if you increase the diameter of the Novatac spring very slightly (hold one end and twist the other counter-clockwise) it holds against the side of the battery tube and will not drop out; it is totally reversible and I have not had any difficulty with mine since I did it (in fact I had forgotten that it was an issue until you mentioned it).

I would agree with the bulk of opinion on the Novatac, it is a really great light and I love using mine (albeit not for anything 'serious')

Andrew
 
Your test wasn't Hard Core at all! I expected some abuse with these lights. Just using them to light up objects and surroundings - hell, even my $2 plastic light can do that!:thumbsdow

Haha....yeah, try to change the batteries in the Novatac in pitch black conditions and having the battery spring fall out on you!!

What level you had it on - 3 lumens? Try using it on max and see if it's a constant output and last you over 30min? From my experience, the Novatac on max has an output that is not constant and declines not steadily but in steps and IMO is not as good as any of the Fenix lights or even DX lights!!
and oh, does your Novatac flickers on low mode? If not, then you're one of the few lucky ones.
your test seems biased to me. Its obvious that you like the Novatac regardless of its flaws.:laughing:

I didn't detail the abuses, the drops, the icy cold or rain and dirt I got into but trust me it was put through rough times. I don't think you'll find too many people that are going to agree with your opinion here and considering some of the extreme tests Novatac has been through - are you familiar with the concrete wall test? Sorry you don't like my writing style - I gave up formal writing on the Internet despite getting straight A's in college English. I like to keep it very informal on forums and I admit I do tend to run on. It was used on a lower level some, a mid level a lot and on the highest setting many times but usually for less than a minute at at time.
 
Oh and next time when you write a review or anything, please use paragraphs. It makes reading a lot easier on the eyes.:broke:

I'll probably continue to write any way I like on an Internet forum (within the forum rules). Your comments here are bordering on being a troll. And what does the 'broke' icon or smilie have to do with making reading easier?
 
3 day long power outage?

isn't that a flashaholic's guilty pleasure? dark desire?:naughty:

Actually that was 3 weeks and to answere twosouls2gether - we moved about 1000 miles in an 18-wheeler I bought and then I drove it with a 53' trailer (about 75' overall with truck -about the longest you'll normally see on the road) and my 38' Motorhome to some bare land where there was no power or services setup. We are building a new home here deep in the forest and hills outside the Matrix :cool:
 
Oh and next time when you write a review or anything, please use paragraphs. It makes reading a lot easier on the eyes.:broke:

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Nice story.:thumbsup:

You should have just called your ship's operator, had him pull you out and then have him load you into your new place.
 
It Works!

if you increase the diameter of the Novatac spring very slightly (hold one end and twist the other counter-clockwise) it holds against the side of the battery tube and will not drop out; it is totally reversible and I have not had any difficulty with mine since I did it (in fact I had forgotten that it was an issue until you mentioned it).

I would agree with the bulk of opinion on the Novatac, it is a really great light and I love using mine (albeit not for anything 'serious')

Andrew

That battery spring fix worked perfectly. Now the battery spring stays put and the battery just drops right out. There is no rattle or any downside to this fix.

I should point out that the battery spring coming out with the battery wasn't what I would call a problem, but now my 120P is just about perfect.

Thanks for posting Andrew! :thumbsup:
 
My apologies Matrixshaman. Perhaps i came across as a bit rude. Yes, you can write however you want but it does make it a lot easier for fellow members to read your long story if you divided it into paragraphs. Yeah, i used the wrong icon. Should've been this one.:drool:
I dunno, maybe im just too criticle - thats why i pick out the flaws in the 120P, and to pay a premium price for a light with flaws that shouldn't be there in the first place?- rediculous!
 
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