Recommend Me RCR123A's and a charger from DX

I use those batteries. I have over a dozen and none has failed yet. Runtimes are a bit shorter (as they are overrated), but I've never had a venting incident, or had a cell refuse to charge. (hey look at that I'm one of the reviewers there!). Are there better batteries? Oh yes (AW cells come VERY Highly recommended), but if your looking for a budget cell- these are pretty good. Not sure about the charger- I had a Trustfire TR001 that I cooked (my own fault trying to revive some NiMh by "shock" charging them). The DSD charger is pretty good- I also have some of the Nano chargers- they are VERY slow but work well (I gave a bunch as gifts this year- everyone was very impressed with how well they work!). I have also tred the Trustfire version of those same batteries (a couple pennies more)- hey work the same (and if DX is out of stock on one- you'll geet the other). Oh on other thing- if you do get a bad cell (I just got a bad 14500 cell from them)- take a picture of it on a voltage meter- they usually replace the cell for free and tell you to attempt to revive the old cell- or recycle it.
 
Thanks for your input, out of curiosity where does one get the AW ones, I'd like to look at those too. Thanks for the tip about bad cells, I'll remember that although I don't have a voltage meter :-(. Want to recommend one of those too? :)
 
AW is in the buy/ sell section. There are a few sites that have those cells also (Battery junction?). As for a cheap Meter- well I got one from Harbor Freight (on sale for $2.99) Digital. All I really use it for is testing battery voltage. Works good enough- (Agrees with what my BC-900 tells me)
 
UF cells seem to be the least reliable of all cells available. I only have 2 UF cells, they were given to me free with another transaction, and one of them works correctly, the other has a bum PCB that comes and goes as it wants to.

Any significant amount of time spent browsing around here long term and you start to develop of feel for which cells do well and which don't. UF "grey/blue" cells are easily on the top of the list for cells that repeatedly fall in far-below typical capacity for their size and have a high rate of PCB failures and major cell-to-cell inconsistency. Lately I keep hearing good things about trustfire cells, but am wary of their source. AW has been with CPF on the long haul and is always wiling to stand behind his product, I just wish he would come out with some higher capacity cells to compete with new stuff from trustfire, wolf-eyes, etc. His RCR123s are some of the only protected RCR123s on the market that are really close to the true size of a CR123. Almost all other brands of RCR123 you will find out there are oversized by several mm in length and a few tenths in diameter. Yes, the alternative oversized-brands will *usually* have more tested capacity, but they won't always fit in your light. AW cells have proven to be on the higher end of reliability and safety but aren't a guarantee against failure. For the sake of comparison, my UF RCR123s, which I was told were basically un-used upon receiving, perform about as well on runtime/capacity as my AW RCR123s, however, the AW cells being compared are several years old and very heavily used. This suggests to me that these UF cells are nothing special.

There isn't an easy answer to the best option for RCR123s and a charger. It's all a tradeoff. The best li-ion charger would be the Pila IBC, but for RCR123s, it's charge rate is a little too high if that's the primary cell you plan on charging. Most of the RCR123 chargers on the market use a CC-only charing method, that ramps the voltage as high as ~4.3V before terminating the charger. While not the worst method, this certainly isn't ideal. The DSD chargers seem to be fine if you live in a place with standard 120V service, they fail on 220V. Problem with the DSD is that it's only a single channel charger, so you must make sure to always install either a single cell into the charger, or pairs that are in a similar state of charge. The DSDs charging algorithm isn't perfect either, but I would call it much healthier and safer than the charging methods found in most of the ultrafire/etc chargers.

For the cells, there is a chance of getting a dud no matter who you order from, and to get more capacity, you have to go with oversized cells that might not fit. Every brand is dramatically over-rated. The best performers tested to date are some trustfire white label.... Check out this thread:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2532646#post2532646
Now, you'll see that the best performers were the DX8683, but guess what? Back when those tests were done, the 8683 was a trustfire cell, DX has "bait-switched" the cells being sold under that product code... gee, I wonder why? Maybe they are trying to get rid of those pesky UF cells with the higher profit margins?

-Eric
 
Eric- Great info! I've been using the UF cells for about a year with no problems- Maybe I was lucky- maybe there has been some improvement. FWIW Trustfire and Ultrafire are the same company.
 
Trustfire and Ultrafire are the same company.

I would tend to agree, and have argued many times before, that all this spider/fire/ultra/super/fire/trust stuff *probably* is all poring out of the same chinese factory. The problem is that the results of peoples experience don't seem to reflect that they are the same cell. They may be the same company spilling products out the same factory, but the trustfire and ultrafire cells more often than not seem to be a different breed of quality... We know that no flashlight manufacture makes li-ion cells, only a few places in the world that actually do. I can say with 100% confidence that all of these flashlight oriented cells are re-badges of various cells from other factories that specialize in li-ion cells. However, some of these "re-badges" may be of higher or lower quality cells.

Having said that, It's so critically important that we remember that the cells under those wrappers could change any day. Just because trustfire is a good cell today does not mean it's a good cell tomorrow. Then when you have places like DX constantly mixing up the product numbers to different cells with different names, it's very difficult to know exactly what you're getting anymore. On more than one occasion someone has ordered one product, and got something similar but of a different brand from DX/KD. It's a bait-switch game if you ask me.

I just did a search and found a thread here from about a month ago, where the solarforce RCR123 is discussed as being similar in size to an AW, possibly even smaller, with similar runtime and still includes a PCB....

I should point out one more thing:
As for "random" explosions not caused by user error, the only I am aware of as having been reported around here were with cheaper off-brand [read:"fire"] cells. At the end of the day, we really have no way of knowing where AW, or trustfire, or ultrafire, or solarforce, or spiderfire, or Pila, or Wolf-Eyes cells come from. It's possible that some of them may share similar places of origin, it sure would be nice to get to the bottom of that question once and for all.

-Eric
 
I'm in the predicament that most of my CR123A based lights cannot handle the fresh off the charger voltage of RCR123 or LiFePO4 cells :poof:

I do have one particular 2xCR123A light that is rather hungry.
The simple solution would be to stop using it, but having a flashlight and not using it just doesn't seem right :poke:

I want to go with a 17670 with that light but don't want to dump a ton of money into it at this point should I decide they are not for me.

I read mdocod's comment about the DSD chargers and see that DX has a well reviewed one (sku 936) that can charge 18650/17670 and 16340 cells (single of pairs) for a very low price. Lighthound also sells the same one.

As for batteries....that's where it gets tricky due to pricing. I can get a pair of *fire 17670s for less than a single good 17670.
 
Thanks for all the great info everyone, much appreciated. I think I will try and get some cells from AW, I bought some 10440's from him and it was a great transaction, and he was of course great about answering emails etc.
 
As there are limited LiIon producers it only reasons that the ****fire cells are all from the same factory- also one only needs to read the same verbage and misspellings from the casings to confirm that the same wrappers are used. Like you say- they probably have better runs of some cells (maybe those get the better name?). I have tried a few "name brand" primaries with good results- but at $2.00 a pop well they are the same price as my rechargable "cheapies" I have not tried any of the "better" LiIon cells as of yet- but plan to replace my ****fire cells as they die out. I guess it comes down to a crap shoot with DX/KD- So far I have had results that are pleasing enough (read: no vent with flames) to be comfortable recommending them as good for what you pay. Of course I realize that one "incident" will change all of that, but I take the usual precautions with charging LiIons (and all batteries for that matter) and have only made a few dumb mistakes (with NiMh cells) that cost me a cell or 2 (and a charger)
 
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