SF Z-32 QUESTION...

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Hi all, New to the forum and the disease.

As I look at all the various pieces available for SF's, I am wondering about the Z-32 bezel. Thinking of using one on another 6p or a 9p when I pick one up, strictly for looks. Not knowing much about this stuff yet, are there any negatives to using the z-32 for a general purpose light?
 
Not really anything negative. The beam tends to be have slightly less side spill due to the lamp assembly sitting a bit deeper in the head due to the shock isolated design, but this is pretty minimal.

I also think it has a lexan window, but again this isn't much of at issue if it does.

I've got a couple, one on a classic weapon light, and another on a 9P + A19 extender.
 
The Z32 is noticeably larger than the standard 6P bezel: about 35 mm diameter vs 31 mm diameter, and about 44 mm long vs 34 mm long.

If you have a bezel down holster, the Z32 probably won't fit. If you use pocket carry, then the Z32 is going to take up a lot of extra room.

If you want functionality over looks, I would get a current version of the 6P bezel, which uses a Pyrex window instead of Lexan. The Pyrex will have superior light transmission and will remain scratch-free and clear. The Lexan will pick up dings and scratches with use, further cutting light transmission.

If you are still using an incandescent lamp assembly, then the Z32 might have some utility in protecting the filament if you accidentally drop the light. But if you upgrade to an LED drop-in, then you don't really need the Z32 for shock absorption.
 
Re: SF Z32 QUESTION...

The Z32 is not an ideal host for LED modules because the shock isolation system minimises contact with the bezel which isn't good for thermal management of the LED - it is difficult to sink the heat away. Incandescent lamps don't suffer from this sensitivity.

(NB SureFire convention is not to have a 'dash' between the Z and 32 so Z32 rather than Z-32)

As for the Lexan window - having a user-replaceable window can be an advantage to some WeaponLight users making heavy use of MP5's and certain handguns fitted with WeaponLights with Z32 bezels.
 
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I believe that this thermal conductivity reason is incorrect, based on simple inspection of a Z32 bezel vs standard bezel.

The Z32 uses a sliding metal ring that is below the rubber cushion. This ring most certainly comes into the same contact with the metal lamp reflector as a standard bezel does. And this sliding metal ring is in contact with the rest of the bezel body.

Sure, anything can get dinged/broken. But if a replaceable window were so critical, then one could also just stock some extra bezels. Probably a lot simpler to screw a new one on that to pop out the old window and pop in a new one. Or if you really want the ability to replace just the window and not the entire bezel but also want a Pyrex window vice Lexan, use a new, anti-roll 6P bezel which uses a retaining ring to hold in the window. Unscrew the ring, swap out the window, screw in the ring. Add an LED drop-in and there seems to be little functional need for the Z32.

That said, I own an MP5 with thousands of rounds fired and have never run into an issue with needing to replace the weaponlight window because of breakage (true, I'd like to replace some because the window clarity has degraded, but that's a problem with using plastic and wouldn't occur with glass). I also have various weaponlights on shotguns and AR-15s, all with many rounds fired, including in many shooting classes at major schools. No problems with needing to replace those flashlight windows either. The main thing is that muzzle blast residue tends to deposit on the window if the light is relatively close to the muzzle (e.g., handgun weaponlight, MP5), and a glass window is easier to clean and not get scratched up than a plastic window.

One can also use one of the SF tipoff covers to protect the window. Just remember to pop open the cover before you need the light.

It is true that I am also not fast roping out of helos or otherwise abusing the weapons. But if the flashlight window breaks, I doubt an operator will have a window replacement kit on-hand, so being user-replaceable looks to be of theoretical advantage only. Note also that a bezel is user-replaceable.

Also, clearly SF does use Pyrex windows on other weaponlights such as the Scout, and that one does not look very user-replaceable. So, this particular theoretical advantage doesn't even seem to be that important to SF.
 
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I believe that this thermal conductivity reason is incorrect, based on simple inspection of a Z32 bezel vs standard bezel.

The Z32 uses a sliding metal ring that is below the rubber cushion. This ring most certainly comes into the same contact with the metal lamp reflector as a standard bezel does. And this sliding metal ring is in contact with the rest of the bezel body.

Size15 is correct. The sliding ring minimizes contact with the rest of the bezel body. I have a Z32 and tried it on a 6P with a P60L. With a 10 min run with the standard bezel, much of the heat was drawn into the bezel and body, and the P60L warm to the touch. With a Z32, the bezel remained much cooler, the body only slightly warm, but the P60L was MUCH hotter.

A different LED module where the pill is in direct contact with the body will give you a direct transfer of heat into the body.
 
Justin Case,
Thanks for sharing your firearms experience.
I've been told by several people at SureFire that some of their customers have been sticking with the Z32 bezel because they have found that the Pyrex windows can break, and suffer damage. Obviously the Lexan window suffers worse damage from heat and blast-residue etc but they do not break, and can be replaced.
I've seen WeaponLights that have suffered hard lives on firearms, and heard that glass windows do break on occasion during 'force-on-force' training such as when shot with a simunition round...

I would have thought that Pyrex offers a significantly better advantage, especially when it comes to the smaller E-Series diameter bezels.
Easier to clean, less prone to damage through close-proximity to the muzzle etc.

According to a friend at SureFire there are groups of users that resist updating their WeaponLights - determined to use 3V incandescent handgun WeaponLights even(!) while there are other groups keen to try out the latest proto-types and coolest gear.

From what I gather some groups have strange tastes and demands. SureFire has made some (in my view) crazy product modifications to ensure they get what they want / need over the years.

Al
 
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Electro, I have a Z32. I have used it on my Z3 and now I have changed it over to my 12P (see below for 12P). I think they look different, and good. Another plus is they only cost about $24. I have heard that sometimes an LED drop in can have trouble with making a good contact, due to the rubber shock ring. They are slightly smaller and lighter than the M2 shock isolation bezel. They are of course a bit longer and wider than a regular 6P or 9P bezel. Buy it, you will like it. SureFire leggo is FUN!
 
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My DX 6090 equipped 6P with Z32 bezel seems to get about as warm after 10 min use as the same 6P with standard bezel.
 
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