Ryanrpm
Enlightened
(Reviewers note: Sunlite 16wFP was provided by Sunlite for outside testing and review)
Hello everyone,
Most, if not all, of you have seen the lengthy thread on the Eagle 8w Far Projection. It was fully unknown to any degree to the people on this forum until a few brave souls decided to buy one and post pictures, beamshots, and even comparison shots of it against some top competitors in the reflector type thrower category. This small powerful light made it to the top in its category! With it's small light source, and delivering over 300 lumens, it is no wonder that it had the top throw for lights in the 30-35mm reflector class.
This thread is devoted to the review of the 8w's bigger brother: The Sunlite 16w Far Projection. This brand new light has been released for outside testing to a few select individuals and to review for Sunlite and everyone else. Among the testers (that I am aware of) is myself and Glenn7 whom you are familiar with.
I have gotten confirmation that the light has shipped today. I should receive it near the end of this week. I will post some initial pictures, and then do beamshots over the weekend, posting them as soon as I have the time. (Don't worry, I'll make time!)
These specs are on the Sunlite forum, but I'll post them here for your viewing:
This light utilizes a quad emitter configuration, composed of 4x60mil chips. A 60mil chip is 1.5mmx1.5mm. Sunlite has fine tuned this light in such a way, as to have NO gap between the chips. Cree's MC-E emitters have to have a certain distance between the chips to electrically isolate them. So, for all intents and purposes, this setup will seem to have a 3mmx3mm emitter, really composed of 4x60mil chips.
It utilizes a 5200mAh li-ion battery with a maximum current of 2800mA. This is made of 2-2600mAh batteries packaged in parallel.
The measured lumens are 648 without reflector and lens, (when powered by a 5200mAh battery). There is a 15% deduct for the output loss through the reflector and lens. So the light output of the 16WFP is 648 X 85%=550 lumens.
The head diameter is 53mm and the total length is 228mm. Currently, the 5200mAh rechargeable battery is only available on the longer Eagle Turbo body.
A single 80mil chip emitter will still be an option in the future.
I will be receiving both a smooth and a textured reflector to test. I will post beamshots comparing it with the Eagle 8w.
Here is a photo of the smooth reflector and textured reflector. These are 3.2meters from the wall.
Smooth
Textured
Notice how the hotspot is smaller and the spill is less bright with the Smooth reflector. The coronas are the same size.
I am happy to do a review of this light as I know Glenn7 is as well. We will post the pros and cons as we see them. Our expectations are very high for this light, and we hope you'll stay tuned.
The Sunlite 16w Far Projection is just around the corner..........!!
Edit: Post #13 has more pictures of the 16wFP.
Edit: Page 3 has the Outdoor Beamshots you've been waiting for....
Edit: I will be bringing all of my review pictures to this 1st post so that if this is your first time veiwing this review, you will see everything together.
Review of the Sunlite Eagle 16w Far Projection:
Here are some initial pictures:
Here, I slid on 2 rubber grips. These help when the light gets too hot to hold....
And here it is with the standard knurling for your grip...
Here is a shot showing the differences of output. 8w-300 lumens. 16w-550 lumens. These are out the front values.
Here is what it looks like when you swap the heads. Nice function, BTW, of Sunlite products!
Here is that completely unique and hard to find Sunlite Quad emitter. Glenn7, you'll have to help me get better shots of this baby...
Some physical dimensions of the 16w are:
Bezel diameter: 53mm
Reflector diameter: 44mm
Total length w/ 5200mAh battery: 228mm
Like the 8w, the 16w is also water resistant...with the charge port being physically and electrically isolated. Just be sure there is no water in there when you plug it in to charge it!
This test light came with both the SMO and OP reflector.
The SMO produces a tighter beam, but the hotspot still shows some artifacts in the center of the beam. Even though Sunlite was able to remove the gap between the emitters, that faint line between them that you saw above still causes this effect in the final beam.
Here is a shot of the 16w on left and the 8w on right. This was about 12ft from the wall. The exposure is stepped down so we can see the artifacts.
Here is the 16w with the OP reflector...
Here is a detailed breakdown of every part of the 16w:
Complete breakdown:
The Bezel. Dimensions are: 9mm high x 53mm diameter x 3mm thick. There are 12 crenelations. There is one 'O' ring where the lens rests against. The logos look to be lasered into the bezel.
The Lens. 3mm thick x 49.5mm diameter. It is AR & UCL. Here are a few photos showing its AR properties:
The Tailcap. 25mm diameter x 20mm long. Pushbutton is 16mm diameter. The knurling is very grippy and not smooth. The function of this tailcap is pushbutton for momentary Turbo and twist tight for full time turbo. Sunlite sells separately a Forward clicky.
The 16w head. It's about 62mm in total height-from thread to thread. With Bezel it is 65mm. There are 14 heat dissipating fins. There are 3 flats sections honed on the fins to provide slight anti-roll protection. The craftsmanship of this head is very good and the anodizing is excellent.
The Reflectors...SMO & OP. They are made from machined aluminum. 44mm reflective surface diameter....46.5mm total outer diameter. 45mm deep. They are fairly thin and have practically no weight to them at all. The 'cone' style of machining offers great rigidity.
The Battery. 3.7v - 5200mAh. Comprised of 2x18650 packaged in parallel with Sunlites own protection circuits built in. The battery is inserted (-) first as shown by the arrow.
Here are some other common batteries for size comparisons. Notice the shorter Sunlite battery is longer than the AW 18650.
The Battery Tube/Main Body. 161mm long. Contains a side switch/recharge port on the switch unit. There are two areas of knurling for hand grip...they are 30mm long each. Some of the pictures show the rubber grips I put on extra. The body is barely longer than my Sunlite Slim.
Hotspot of each reflector. These are about 7-8ft from the ceiling. I used a flash so that only the hottest part of the beam would stand out.
SMO reflector:
OP Reflector:
Here's a final shot of the OP reflector installed in the head.
My current preference of reflector choice is still the smooth. I like the throw it offers.
Here are some comparison shots with different lights:
I'm sure all of you recognize these lights. From left to right: Streamlight Ultrastinger, Eagle 16w, RQ(Spear Clone), Sunlite Slim, RC-N3, Eagle 8w, Fenix T1, Solarforce L2M.
Here's your Sunlite versatility at work: Slim using the 16w head, and vice versa.
Here's my Sunlite family:
And here's some more pics of that Sunlite Quad emitter. (4x60mil) What a beaut!
And here's one under a welding lens:
And, some more emitter shots:
This is about as close as I can get to it. Had to use a small magnifying glass between the light and the camera, while my other hand held a small KD buckle light and pressed the button at the same time.:duh2:
Here are the outdoor beamshots...comparing the 8w to the 16w at distances of 160ft and 450ft.
I will gather longer distances and shorter distances as well......
Control shot at my house. 160ft away. The beams will be aimed at my roof.
8w @ 160ft:
16w OP @160ft:
16w SMO @ 160ft: Can you see the slightly dark center? Hardly at all!! In real world use, it is barely noticeable. White wall hunting will reveal it a lot clearer though...and even then it is not bad.
8w @ 450ft:
16w OP @ 450ft:
16w SMO @ 450ft: Notice the more intense beam center.
Here is both the 16w OP and 8w at about 50ft away to see the beam profiles.
And here is the 16w SMO and 8w at 50ft: Again, notice the more intense center of the SMO vs. the OP.
Here is the 16w SMO and 8w pointed closer and stepped down....just to see if we can spot the dark center.......
Ah-ha! Just barely!
Good work Sunlite at fine tuning your optics and light source with that SMO reflector. Let it be known to everyone, that to the best of my knowledge, Sunlite Science & Technology is the only company to combine a quad emitter with a SMO reflector and create the best possible beam. That is, one that is focused for throw and has the least amount of artifacts in the center.
And just for fun, here is a couple "Beam intensity" shots:
The optional Forward Clicky has arrived! Here are some pictures of it:
The forward clicky is the taller switch.
My impressions are: I like it over the standard twisty. It does increase the overall length by 15mm. Total length of the switch is 35mm. The twisty has a length of 20mm.
One thing about it that LEO's will like, is that the 'click' is very quiet.
It is not a loud click like my Fenix T1 has...but it makes a very 'tiny' click when activated. And obviously, it has momentary function as well, like all Forward clickies have.
The rubber pad that your thumb presses is nice, large, and flat...identical to the one on the twisty. The knurling, like the longer body, and like the twisty switch, is very grippy. A smooth knurling would be like what is found on the Solarforce L2M....where it's just better than smooth metal.
The threads are anodized as well.
Regarding the Sunlite Quad emitter...here is some more information directly from the manufacturer:
Please reference the photo:
Regarding the statement that there are No Gaps between the chips...some of you may have wondered what the faint lines were. Is there a gap and they filled it with thermal epoxy or even phosphor? I inquired of Fong Suo of Sunlite, and here is their explanation.
Anyways, just thought that quote would be helpful for you all to know....
Hello everyone,
Most, if not all, of you have seen the lengthy thread on the Eagle 8w Far Projection. It was fully unknown to any degree to the people on this forum until a few brave souls decided to buy one and post pictures, beamshots, and even comparison shots of it against some top competitors in the reflector type thrower category. This small powerful light made it to the top in its category! With it's small light source, and delivering over 300 lumens, it is no wonder that it had the top throw for lights in the 30-35mm reflector class.
This thread is devoted to the review of the 8w's bigger brother: The Sunlite 16w Far Projection. This brand new light has been released for outside testing to a few select individuals and to review for Sunlite and everyone else. Among the testers (that I am aware of) is myself and Glenn7 whom you are familiar with.
I have gotten confirmation that the light has shipped today. I should receive it near the end of this week. I will post some initial pictures, and then do beamshots over the weekend, posting them as soon as I have the time. (Don't worry, I'll make time!)
These specs are on the Sunlite forum, but I'll post them here for your viewing:
This light utilizes a quad emitter configuration, composed of 4x60mil chips. A 60mil chip is 1.5mmx1.5mm. Sunlite has fine tuned this light in such a way, as to have NO gap between the chips. Cree's MC-E emitters have to have a certain distance between the chips to electrically isolate them. So, for all intents and purposes, this setup will seem to have a 3mmx3mm emitter, really composed of 4x60mil chips.
It utilizes a 5200mAh li-ion battery with a maximum current of 2800mA. This is made of 2-2600mAh batteries packaged in parallel.
The measured lumens are 648 without reflector and lens, (when powered by a 5200mAh battery). There is a 15% deduct for the output loss through the reflector and lens. So the light output of the 16WFP is 648 X 85%=550 lumens.
The head diameter is 53mm and the total length is 228mm. Currently, the 5200mAh rechargeable battery is only available on the longer Eagle Turbo body.
A single 80mil chip emitter will still be an option in the future.
I will be receiving both a smooth and a textured reflector to test. I will post beamshots comparing it with the Eagle 8w.
Here is a photo of the smooth reflector and textured reflector. These are 3.2meters from the wall.
Smooth
Textured
Notice how the hotspot is smaller and the spill is less bright with the Smooth reflector. The coronas are the same size.
I am happy to do a review of this light as I know Glenn7 is as well. We will post the pros and cons as we see them. Our expectations are very high for this light, and we hope you'll stay tuned.
The Sunlite 16w Far Projection is just around the corner..........!!
Edit: Post #13 has more pictures of the 16wFP.
Edit: Page 3 has the Outdoor Beamshots you've been waiting for....
Edit: I will be bringing all of my review pictures to this 1st post so that if this is your first time veiwing this review, you will see everything together.
Review of the Sunlite Eagle 16w Far Projection:
Here are some initial pictures:
Here, I slid on 2 rubber grips. These help when the light gets too hot to hold....
And here it is with the standard knurling for your grip...
Here is a shot showing the differences of output. 8w-300 lumens. 16w-550 lumens. These are out the front values.
Here is what it looks like when you swap the heads. Nice function, BTW, of Sunlite products!
Here is that completely unique and hard to find Sunlite Quad emitter. Glenn7, you'll have to help me get better shots of this baby...
Some physical dimensions of the 16w are:
Bezel diameter: 53mm
Reflector diameter: 44mm
Total length w/ 5200mAh battery: 228mm
Like the 8w, the 16w is also water resistant...with the charge port being physically and electrically isolated. Just be sure there is no water in there when you plug it in to charge it!
This test light came with both the SMO and OP reflector.
The SMO produces a tighter beam, but the hotspot still shows some artifacts in the center of the beam. Even though Sunlite was able to remove the gap between the emitters, that faint line between them that you saw above still causes this effect in the final beam.
Here is a shot of the 16w on left and the 8w on right. This was about 12ft from the wall. The exposure is stepped down so we can see the artifacts.
Here is the 16w with the OP reflector...
Here is a detailed breakdown of every part of the 16w:
Complete breakdown:
The Bezel. Dimensions are: 9mm high x 53mm diameter x 3mm thick. There are 12 crenelations. There is one 'O' ring where the lens rests against. The logos look to be lasered into the bezel.
The Lens. 3mm thick x 49.5mm diameter. It is AR & UCL. Here are a few photos showing its AR properties:
The Tailcap. 25mm diameter x 20mm long. Pushbutton is 16mm diameter. The knurling is very grippy and not smooth. The function of this tailcap is pushbutton for momentary Turbo and twist tight for full time turbo. Sunlite sells separately a Forward clicky.
The 16w head. It's about 62mm in total height-from thread to thread. With Bezel it is 65mm. There are 14 heat dissipating fins. There are 3 flats sections honed on the fins to provide slight anti-roll protection. The craftsmanship of this head is very good and the anodizing is excellent.
The Reflectors...SMO & OP. They are made from machined aluminum. 44mm reflective surface diameter....46.5mm total outer diameter. 45mm deep. They are fairly thin and have practically no weight to them at all. The 'cone' style of machining offers great rigidity.
The Battery. 3.7v - 5200mAh. Comprised of 2x18650 packaged in parallel with Sunlites own protection circuits built in. The battery is inserted (-) first as shown by the arrow.
Here are some other common batteries for size comparisons. Notice the shorter Sunlite battery is longer than the AW 18650.
The Battery Tube/Main Body. 161mm long. Contains a side switch/recharge port on the switch unit. There are two areas of knurling for hand grip...they are 30mm long each. Some of the pictures show the rubber grips I put on extra. The body is barely longer than my Sunlite Slim.
Hotspot of each reflector. These are about 7-8ft from the ceiling. I used a flash so that only the hottest part of the beam would stand out.
SMO reflector:
OP Reflector:
Here's a final shot of the OP reflector installed in the head.
My current preference of reflector choice is still the smooth. I like the throw it offers.
Here are some comparison shots with different lights:
I'm sure all of you recognize these lights. From left to right: Streamlight Ultrastinger, Eagle 16w, RQ(Spear Clone), Sunlite Slim, RC-N3, Eagle 8w, Fenix T1, Solarforce L2M.
Here's your Sunlite versatility at work: Slim using the 16w head, and vice versa.
Here's my Sunlite family:
And here's some more pics of that Sunlite Quad emitter. (4x60mil) What a beaut!
And here's one under a welding lens:
And, some more emitter shots:
This is about as close as I can get to it. Had to use a small magnifying glass between the light and the camera, while my other hand held a small KD buckle light and pressed the button at the same time.:duh2:
Here are the outdoor beamshots...comparing the 8w to the 16w at distances of 160ft and 450ft.
I will gather longer distances and shorter distances as well......
Control shot at my house. 160ft away. The beams will be aimed at my roof.
8w @ 160ft:
16w OP @160ft:
16w SMO @ 160ft: Can you see the slightly dark center? Hardly at all!! In real world use, it is barely noticeable. White wall hunting will reveal it a lot clearer though...and even then it is not bad.
8w @ 450ft:
16w OP @ 450ft:
16w SMO @ 450ft: Notice the more intense beam center.
Here is both the 16w OP and 8w at about 50ft away to see the beam profiles.
And here is the 16w SMO and 8w at 50ft: Again, notice the more intense center of the SMO vs. the OP.
Here is the 16w SMO and 8w pointed closer and stepped down....just to see if we can spot the dark center.......
Ah-ha! Just barely!
Good work Sunlite at fine tuning your optics and light source with that SMO reflector. Let it be known to everyone, that to the best of my knowledge, Sunlite Science & Technology is the only company to combine a quad emitter with a SMO reflector and create the best possible beam. That is, one that is focused for throw and has the least amount of artifacts in the center.And just for fun, here is a couple "Beam intensity" shots:
The optional Forward Clicky has arrived! Here are some pictures of it:
The forward clicky is the taller switch.
My impressions are: I like it over the standard twisty. It does increase the overall length by 15mm. Total length of the switch is 35mm. The twisty has a length of 20mm.
One thing about it that LEO's will like, is that the 'click' is very quiet.
It is not a loud click like my Fenix T1 has...but it makes a very 'tiny' click when activated. And obviously, it has momentary function as well, like all Forward clickies have.The rubber pad that your thumb presses is nice, large, and flat...identical to the one on the twisty. The knurling, like the longer body, and like the twisty switch, is very grippy. A smooth knurling would be like what is found on the Solarforce L2M....where it's just better than smooth metal.
The threads are anodized as well.
Regarding the Sunlite Quad emitter...here is some more information directly from the manufacturer:
Please reference the photo:
Regarding the statement that there are No Gaps between the chips...some of you may have wondered what the faint lines were. Is there a gap and they filled it with thermal epoxy or even phosphor? I inquired of Fong Suo of Sunlite, and here is their explanation.
So, they truly have accomplished what has not by others...To put the chips completely side by side, not having a dome, so that the light source remains as small as possible, while removing as much dark area between the chips as possible - enabling this light to be used successfully with a SMO reflector with very few artifacts in the beam...and ZERO artifacts when used with the OP reflector.
Anyways, just thought that quote would be helpful for you all to know....
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I just bought an 8W. I am really impressed with what they have accomplished. Hope everyone isn't too surprised to see this doesn't throw as far as the 8W.
