VERY VERY bad for all LAWSUIT

[NikolaTesla]

This company, "Sartek" has somehow managed to "PATENT" a flashlight. How this can be, I do NOT understand as they have been made for many years before- I am not a Lawyer.
But this is bad for ALL of the manufactures of HID lights as it is a class action suit against ALL of them. Their patent says they have the rights to any DC HID light. My feeling is this is balloney. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif

Like can I get a patent for the wheel and put the rest of the world out of business? It's ancient. Makes no sense. But I can see why SureFire or others don't want to play HID. UK has been sued. Same with KENRAD. Check around. This is VERY bad!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

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An Arc lamp is the Spark that takes away the Dark--HID Forever!

My Lights LightWar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/xyxgun.gif

 

[JonSidneyB]

I think I am going to e-mail the Patent office and find out how this happened.

 

[wholeflaffer]

Here's a link to the patent:

click here for the link

Here's the patent's abstract:

A portable battery powered high intensity lighting system that produces solar quality illumination at four to six times the efficiency of comparable incandescent lighting systems includes a light head and a power source. The light head contains an HID (high intensity discharge) arc lamp. A sealed enclosure containing a ballast is attached immediately adjacent to the lamp assembly. The ballast enclosure is preferably potted with a thermally conductive epoxy.

 

[pjandyho]

I am getting a headache even reading half-way into the patent. I was never cut out to be a lawyer. My general impression of this patent is that it applies more to underwater HID lighting equipment and not all HID lights we use on land. What would happen to The Beast by Surefire then if that is the case?

 

[McGizmo]

Hey,

It's cool! The issue is not that of intellectual property or legitimate claims anymore. The real point here is to insure that one of our great foundations has plenty of fodder and easy access to billable hours. If it's good for our legal industry, then it must be good for us! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

I suspect that there is prior art as well as conflict and infringment within granted patents; never mind prior art!

While we impair domestic manufacture and even sales based on the ownership of inherent ideas, the rest of the world can move forward! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

Somewhere between a $20 Rollex and BS like this lies some firm ground that reasonable and prudent individuals using that no longer "common" sense could identify and make a viable foundation for the protection and security of IP.

Once ownership of an idea is granted, it would be interesting if the "value" attached to this idea were based on the cost of R&D behind bringing this idea to reality as opposed to the potential market revenue generated in sales of the idea. In other words, if one's claim to compensation for infringement were based on expenses and not gross revenue, there might not be as much meat for the legal eagles. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif

There are no simple or straight forward answers but Houston, "We have a problem!"

 

[Monolith]

This patent is just for a waterproofed, integrated lamp/ballast system. Has someone combined these before? Is it any more useful than a separate waterproofed lamp and ballast? If there is no market for this, it will die out quickly. It seems to be a product to sell to other manufacturers who don't want to ensure waterproofness of the lamp and ballast.

 

[brightnorm]

The following sentence is particularly troubling:

It is yet another object of the invention to provide a lamp for an underwater lighting system which can be coupled to a battery pack via a relatively long cable or integrated into single hand-held unit composed of a lamp, ballast and battery.

Brightnorm

 

[Monolith]

[ QUOTE ]
brightnorm said:
The following sentence is particularly troubling:

It is yet another object of the invention to provide a lamp for an underwater lighting system which can be coupled to a battery pack via a relatively long cable or integrated into single hand-held unit composed of a lamp, ballast and battery.

Brightnorm

[/ QUOTE ]

Only the claim language counts, namely claims 1 and 7. In general, you can toss the rest of the patent.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Very real McGizmo. Very problamatical as well. This just the 1rst page of a bad tale...

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An Arc lamp is the Spark that takes away the Dark--HID Forever!

My Lights LightWar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/xyxgun.gif

 

[NikolaTesla]

Sound like to me anything with an Oring that is slightly water proof HID any kind or PORTABLE light is covered. That lets "ARCO" of with the X990 because its not even slightly waterproop. SF "Beast"- sorry covered by patent /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif

NikolaTesla /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

An Arc lamp is the Spark that takes away the Dark--HID Forever!

My Lights LightWar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/xyxgun.gif

 

[Phaserburn]

Because you're all near and dear to me, I just want to let you know that I intend to file a class action suit against you. 30 years ago, I patented Air, and am determined to protect my intellectual property. My lawyers are merging and converging as we speak, and I do in fact have prior art.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Not to make light of this problem but then I guess I could patent mud and sand Then maybe?

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An Arc lamp is the Spark that takes away the Dark--HID Forever!

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[wholeflaffer]

My favorite all-time bad patent is US Patent Number 5,443,036:

Method of exercising a cat

Abstract

A method for inducing cats to exercise consists of directing a beam of invisible light produced by a hand-held laser apparatus onto the floor or wall or other opaque surface in the vicinity of the cat, then moving the laser so as to cause the bright pattern of light to move in an irregular way fascinating to cats, and to any other animal with a chase instinct.

 

[luxlover]

Mr. Phaserburn,
I have been using your "AIR" for the last 30 years of the 30 year period since your patent was awarded, and I believe that I own you royalties. I really don't use a lot of it, but fair is fair. Do you charge by the breathe, or by the cubic yard. Please bill me for what is due you, after you calculate what a middle aged male would most probably consume. After I get your bill, remember that "the check is in the mail!"

 

[Phaserburn]

Mr. Luxlover,
I appreciate your willingness to settle this out of court. I actually sell Air in non-standard units called Fimples. I find it easiest for me as I can't be held to any troublesome standards of measure. However, I am willing to grant you, in the interests of expediency, a volume discount. Now, not knowing how much "heavy breathing" you've done over the last 30 years, we'll just have to estimate. And, because of your spirit of fairplay, I'm certainly willing to overlook any other use of my Air product that may have occurred in the same time frame, such as unicycle tire inflation or excess flatulence. I look forward to receiving your remittance. In the future, Air Inc. will provide you with handy coupons, some of which are redeemable for a light that looks absolutely nothing like a Maglite. In fact, it's trapezoidal in shape and doubles as a 2-Fimple Air container.

 

[cave dave]

Phaserburn,

Please bill me for my 30 yrs of air usage as well. Since I don't have the money a friend of mine in Nigeria who owes me money will be sending you a check for $10,000. As soon as you get the check please subtract the amount of air I consumed and send me the balance of the money or for your convienence you can just send me your credit card number so I can subtract the proper amount of the money you owe me.

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[NikolaTesla]

This is for real and you guys make fun of me! I deserve IT!!!!! I have been the worst at playing a comidean!.
None the less, HID lovers beaware! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon6.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif

This is Bad stuff. I am glad I have my KEN-RAD Monster PSL35 watt in hand now that patent fight is under way. I truely can spill many lumens without care other than battery cost. Thanks to PK (SF) Wayne Johnson (Elektrolumen), Mark (At KEN-RAD)
and many others (SteamLight)(Vector) {ARCO-X990). Its a bright night here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif But this law suit sucks,

I HOPE this patent goes away! Spectrolab, are you in there too? {The BADEST arc/HID light ever!)

NikolaTesla

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[BentHeadTX]

The air thoughts remind me of something I read in a April addition of a bicycling magazine.

Back in the 50's to early 80's, a company called Campagnolo dominated bicycle racing components and had a rabid following (The first person ever to win a Tour de France without using Campagnolo parts was Lance Armstrong) Anyway, Campy (easier to say than Campagnolo) they made brakes, cranks, axles, hubs and shifters, but were mostly known for derailluers.
Cyclists would wear Campy shirts, hats etc. as a style statement. A cycling magazine decided to come out with a spoof for their April edition. They had a picture of Campagnolo Air because it made the Campy parts work in harmony and made the wheels faster. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It only cost about $40 for a half litre bottle and was lighter than normal air.
I think stupid patents are a good thing. It points out the failures in the patent office and how fraud permiates the system. The American way is to let fraud continue until it gets so large and crippling that something has to be done (Enron, Worldcom etc)

 

[cy]

Our patent system is broken. Patents without merit and/or with prior art gets aproved on a regular basis. With patent in hand this puts the onus on everyone else to defend against the bogus patent.

If you are faced with a bogus patent infringement claim VS paying a license fee. It quickly becomes a business decision to pay or not. Legal fees rack up higher than the licensing fees in a hurry. even if the patent gets overturned in the end.

According to RJ Harris, 80 percent of the patents brought before the courts are overturned or held invalid. Also, the average cost of fighting a patent validity suit is $250,000.

 

[Sway]

[ QUOTE ]
This is Bad stuff. I am glad I have my KEN-RAD Monster PSL35 watt in hand now that patent fight is under way.

[/ QUOTE ]

Beam shots please Sir and I will gladley PayPay Phazerburn for how ever many Fimples you use up during the session /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

How much does a Flimple cost?

Later
Sway
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