why are cruises so cheap? need a place to crash while im geting details ready

fuyume

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in a hotel now love it the view is amazering but it isnt cheap so i found some cruises why are they so cheap?
Have you ever seen a cruise ship without a casino or cash bar?

I won a cruise years ago. I never would have gone on a cruise of my own volition, but since it was free, I went, and I had a blast, even though I don't gamble. I do drink, and I drank a lot that week, soaked up the Caribbean sun, enjoyed some excellent musicians, met lots of very nice people, and ate some surprisingly good food, spent a couple of days walking around Key West and Nassau.
 

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Beware... They'll give you the cruise cheap and include an unhealthy dose of norovirus at no extra charge. However, the ship's doctor will cost you an extra $400. Just had a buddy and his family take a cruise, and that was their experience.
 

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Economics of scale. That's why ships exist that can carry more passengers than the populations of small towns, plus crew. 5,000 passengers and 1500 or so crew is just crazy. It's a far cry from the "Love Boat" era of the mid 70's to mid 80's. Pacific Princess (Originally Sea Venture, launched in 1971) carried just 750 passengers and 350 crew. In 2002 she was replaced by another Pacific Princess, formerly the R Three (built 1999), an operated by Carnival at a capacity of 826 passengers and 373 crew. The configuration of the ship is much more towards rooms with balconies. The second Pacific Princess was sold by Carnival in 2022.

The current biggest ship in the Carnival fleet are of the Excellence class, with a double occupancy passenger capacity of 5,282. Maximum capacity is 6,500 - on the Mardi Gras owned by Carnival. Crew is 2,000.

But that comes up short behind Royal Carribean's Oasis Class Wonder of the Seas with 6,988 max passenger capacity and 2,369 crew. But when their Icon class flagship Icon of the Seas enters service next year it will pack in up to 7,600 passengers and 2,350 crew.

So by packing in so many paying passengers, you, and about 7,000 people you don't know, can go on a fairly cheap cruise.

I hear its far better to splash out on an all-inclusive package because the el-cheapo rate for a stateroom will nickel and dime you into the poorhouse with all the amenities, food etc. costing extra.

Another factor in low-ish cruise prices is the cruise lines need money. The pandemic had them shut down for 3-ish years with no income. They sold off or sold for scrap most of their ships built in the 1980's and 1990's while not stopping investment in new, higher capacity ships. That money influx kept the bigger cruise companies afloat, along with the income from the pre-pandemic time.

Smaller companies bought still serviceable cast-offs (like the second Pacific Princess) and spent time and money during the pandemic shutdown getting them fixed up and they've spent the past couple of years working like mad to pay for those ships. The ship breaking yards did a huge amount of business scrapping hundreds of old, and some not so old, cruise ships. Some built as recently as the mid-1990's went to the breakers recently, along with some built as far back as the early 1970's which were still in service until their owning companies couldn't weather the shutdown.

But wait, the Icon class ships will soon be looking like pipsqueaks. The Global Dream and Global Dream II are built to carry up to 9,000 passengers! Unfortunately the company having them built to serve the Chinese market went bankrupt. Global Dream was finished and Global Dream II was not finished. Both ships must be moved from where they are by the end of 2023 because the shipyard has been sold to a company with a military contract. They were destined to make their maiden voyages to a scrapyard but Disney bought Global Dream II "for a favorable price". I assume because being unfinished it was available for less and because it will be easier to configure for the western market that to redo the completed ship. I don't know if anyone has bought Global Dream. Disney expects to have their new ship in service by 2025.

How much? Reportedly over 1.5 billion UK Pounds had been spent on Global Dream II, and 2 billion on Global Dream.

Makes me want to sing "Do you want to buy a cruise ship?" to the tune of "Do you want to build a snow man?"
 

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The old adage "You get what you pay for" definitely applies to cruising. Since '96. I've been on inexpensive (e.g., Baja/Caribbean), moderate (Alaska, etc.), more expensive (Mediterranean, British Isles), & expensive (European River) cruises. I also have an upcoming Viking Expedition cruise in September (twice postponed due to Covid).

To paraphrase Galane; the bigger the ship/the more passengers, the cheaper the cruise. If you don't mind crowded environments you can find a number of inexpensive cruising options. Personally, I'm at the age where I prefer small ship/river boat, all-inclusive cruise lines with easy boarding and disembarking.

Re: "floating petri dishes"
In all my times cruising I've never once been sick (knock on wood) and had a great time on all. In fact, for several years our daughter was the Production Show Singer on Holland America & Princess Cruises and traveled the world on various ships. She never got sick/never missed a show. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but I'll take my chances...
 
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I went on 2 cruises in the 90's on carnival ships and had great experiences. One of the ships was in need of redecorating since the rugs were horrible and a passenger that won big in the casino didn't get paid (and apparently cruise lines don't have to). I also got left behind on my first shore excursion, and the captain said if I ever made it back on the ship I could sit at his table.
 

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Instead of buying new ships, cruise companies have since the late 1970's had several ships cut in two and stretched with a new section added in. First was in 1977, latest in 2022. Some were cut and stretched while under construction.


"Pride of America" began construction in the US as the first US built deep water passenger ship since 1958's SS Argentina. But the project fell apart for multiple reasons. Norwegian Cruise lines bought the pieces and towed the partly built ship to Germany for completion, which included a 70 foot lengthening. It made its inaugural voyage in 2005. In 2013 the ship went into dry dock for extensive upgrades and changes, and was again in dry dock just three years later for more major upgrades.

Since the Pride of America had 40% of its hull completed in a US shipyard it was given an exemption to the laws that require ships to be built in the USA for transport solely between US ports. Her sister ship, Pride of Aloha, apparently got an "Oh hell, why not?" exemption despite being 100% built in Germany. It's not like there's a foreign owned island really close for foreign built, registered, and crewed cruise ships to pop over to when going from one place to another in Hawaii. Since both ships are US registered the majority of their crews have to be Americans and all crew are subject to US labor laws. The ships don't have casinos since they never leave US territorial waters.
 

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may still do it im bored and trying to find me a wife
That's like trying to find you a good wife at the Cat House.
Cruises are great, if you just want to hook up. Then never see each other again, afterwards. That's what all the single people are there for. The only women worth wife-ing up on a cruise.... are the ones already married. There with their husbands and small children.
 

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Have you ever seen a cruise ship without a casino or cash bar?

I won a cruise years ago. I never would have gone on a cruise of my own volition, but since it was free, I went, and I had a blast, even though I don't gamble. I do drink, and I drank a lot that week, soaked up the Caribbean sun, enjoyed some excellent musicians, met lots of very nice people, and ate some surprisingly good food, spent a couple of days walking around Key West and Nassau.
Keep in mind though when you "win" something you usually have to pay taxes on the fair market value of whatever it is you won. Now if you're in the 0% tax bracket because you have little or no income, no big deal. On the other hand, in some cases you could be looking at paying 50% of the value in income taxes. Hardly free in my book. If I ever won something like this, I'd take the cash alternative, if any.
It looks like Norovirus is making a comeback on cruise ships this year.
Yep. That's one reason I would never go on a cruise. The fact cruise ships are environmental disasters, basically squandering resources on something totally frivolous, are another. People always gain weight on cruises, so that's another negative for me.

Instead of cruises, I'd like to see no frills ship transportation for those who refuse to fly (or have health reasons they can't fly) for about the same price as flying. For me the old equivalent of steerage class is fine. If/when I ever get around to traveling, the extra time to get there by ship versus flying is moot. I'd most likely want to go to Europe or Asia, and spend a few months there. Given that time frame, whether it takes me a few hours, or a week, to get there is pretty much moot. I'd consider traveling by ship part of the adventure. If I could get my passage for free by working on the ship, that's even better. I've heard some freighters offer a limited number of cabins to travelers, but I haven't really looked into it.
 

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Cruises are a real meat market for attractive women. During my daughter's performing contracts, she'd "pair up" with a gay male singer for "protection" when out in public.
 

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Viking cruises (ocean, river, expedition) don't have casinos. "Cash" bars of course (although wine & beer are included with meals). Who'd want to go on a cruise without one?
Me if I ever changed my mind about cruises. I don't gamble (total waste of money if you ask me), and I don't drink in public.
 
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