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Sold/Expired EOI: LED trilux bike light prototype *CLOSED*

ktronik

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Hey CPF members,

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CNC head will be US$***, you get: SS screws, face plate, lens, rear cover with bflex/maxflex holder & mom on switch. Heavy duty HB clamp.

Slug - One side will be machined to accept either (not both!) a Cree XR-E or SSC P4, emitter - this is the main decision the customer must make. The other side of the slug will be flat - ready for a star of any type.

Side entry - Customer chooses custom hole for Deans 'micro plug' or a 4mm round hole... or no hole.

Extras:

IMS20's for US$5ea + US$2.50ea modding fee. If you want reflectors modded, customer needs to state what emitter will be used.

Deans micro plug US$2 (for set of M&F)




CREE XR-E HEAD: diesel_dad
CREE XR-E HEAD: rfix



Tricky bits:

Now I have built up the cree & seoul heads, I will start to flesh out some of the more tricky bits...

The only hard bits are installing the reflectors & heatsinks...

Prep the copper sinks with thermal paste (after you have secured the emitters). Take your time starting the thread on the copper sink, into the light housing...I just twisted the wires, clockwise to spin the sink in...its a fine thread, (for max surface area) so don't force or cross thread the copper sink!

I used AA to secure the emitters to the sinks...only use a little & make sure the emitter is seated correctly. I AAed, then wired, as wiring first, tends to be harder to seat the emitter on the copper sink...I had no problem wiring the crees after they were on the copper sink...use 'stars' if you can't solder well...

One important thing if using thermal grease on the emitters ( they might not seat properly when screwing them up) is to check from the back and make sure the depth of all the sinks is within 0.1mm to each other. That's if all the reflectors are the same length of course.

Make sure the 'tabs' are filed off the reflectors outsides (top)...this means the reflectors will sit in the front cover correctly.

For seoul, fit reflectors first & bolt on front cover... hold light unit, face down & screw the sinks, downwards towards the reflectors...just nip up, do not put too much pressure on the emitter! Then flip up the light to check the centering, facing up, unscrew the sink just a little & tap the reflector to center if needed...their is a very small bit of room to move if needed, mine lined up fine..

For cree, fit the sinks halfway, light facing up, place the reflectors on top of the sinks... bolt on the front cover...screw the copper sinks up, towards the front cover...tap if needed, to insure reflectors sit into the front cover correctly, again just nip up the screw sinks...

For the driver, it will 'click into place' just make sure it is orientated so nothing is shorting or the inductor is touching anything... re-check all work before powering up


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Sink-O-rama

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Maxflex

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Bflex

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IMS holder

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Modded IMS20 -with cutouts for solder clearance.

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Modded IMS/non modded IMS

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The copper slug will have a 0.3mm deep footprint for the emitter to contact, & 2 cutouts where the underneath solder pads would normally go, thus making the slug electricly netrual

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Here they are mounted on my mates E-bike...


Here's the beamshots - both taken at 3.2sec F4 WOW

U bin LUX @ 1A

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P4 bin CREE @ 1A

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SEOUL @ 1A

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15 rear covers

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Beefed the legs up a bit...

Cree XR-E CNC head

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Seoulsink: slug is isolated by about 0.05mm (a hair) and emitter rests on the outer part in a 0.3mm deep recess for centrality.

Cree isolation: is the same -the 2 side bits are 0.05mm deeper


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Rear switch cover

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No copper sinks

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View rear with copper sinks

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View front with cree copper sinks

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Left, Kahtod 20mm optics

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Seoul with Kahtod 20mm optics at 20meters 1amp

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Seoul modded IMS20 reflectors at 20meters 1amp

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Ultra Blue glow powder behind Kahtod 20mm optics for Seoul LEDs

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Cut down head for the Kahtod 20mm optics


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Water test


LENS BUILD UP

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If you put the lense up to the light it looks as if there is a slight taper on the edge.
The smaller part of the taper goes toward the front of the housing -it will go in easier this way -with more resistance if you try and push it out.


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Cut the protective coating following the edge with a sharp blade


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The cut ring will fall off


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Wipe off excess sealant inside and out.
Leave on protective covering till you are ready to assemble.
Pick off covering with a sharp point from the edge out.

Practice makes perfect. I can send more lenses if needed.haha



Build up (seoul)

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PhantomZ

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

would it be only single stage or 2 and what would the price range be? i think 3w would be better.
 

KillerScout

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Looks great~ how about the switch?? is this a multi-function light?? Thanks
 

Long John

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

:goodjob: Looks great :twothumbs

IMO the K2's are weak in therms of efficiency. In combination with a Maxflex I would go with the Cree's, since a good sidespill is welcome for a bike light.

Best regards

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Tom
 

BentHeadTX

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Long John said:
:goodjob: Looks great :twothumbs

IMO the K2's are weak in therms of efficiency. In combination with a Maxflex I would go with the Cree's, since a good sidespill is welcome for a bike light.

Best regards

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Tom

+1

Agree with Tom on this one, a bike light needs the strong spill and efficiency that the Cree XRE offers. This would push back your offer though as the correct reflectors need to be made.
 

monkeyboy

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Those pictures look great!



+2 for Cree

I agree with the others; don't go with the luxeon K2, these are very inefficient, U-bin luxeon III is preferable to K2. If you make a Cree XR-E version, I guarantee they will sell like hotcakes on CPF (whatever a hotcake is). I would buy an XR-E version.

In fact, if you wait a few months, Seoul semiconductors (SSC) will be releasing an LED which is basically a Cree XR-E in a luxeon package. This will probably be directly interchangeable with Luxeon LEDs.


hehe! this is my 500th post :santa:
 

jmw19

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Nice looking design - how does it mount to the bars? Plans for a helmet mount?
This would be great with some S__H Lux 1's or Cree's with modified reflectors.
Any estimate of price for the bare unit?

Thanks,
Jon
 

ktronik

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

thanks for the comments,

There will be a switch for full use of driver firmware.

U-bin will be used to start as K2's are not up to speed yet...

QR Handlebar bracket will be used.

Only when good reflectors are made for cree's will they be used. until then 1w or 3w luxeon option only.

still costing out as this stage. The CNC heads will be moderately priced.

may be a bit heavy for the head...

the LEDs in the pic is infact R-bin (warm tint) 1w...

thanks

Ktronik

PS: a 6 LED unit is also planed .
 

Ganp

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

That's a great looking bit of kit :twothumbs

I'm wondering if you have considered optics as well. There are some that give an elliptical beam that could be pretty good for trail riding.

The design looks very promising anyway....keen to see the final version.

Colin.
 

ktronik

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Could easly tool up for optics if needed, also cree's if that is the flavour of the month... the first cree's I tried were cr*p...but I have been out of the loop for a bit...

Are there reflectors for sale for the XR-E version??

this first one was a custom order for a guy with a shimano dyno F hub... thus no switch...turned out so good that I though why not make a few more for you guys... see how I go...

Just wrote the guy who makes the CNC heads for me & am getting some prices together...

I will know if its worth making some more after that... the first mini proto run of 5 units is for me... greedy I know... :grin2:

more soon

Ktronik
 

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Awesome. All I really need is a housing that can be mounted to the handle bars. I can supply emitters, driver, etc. This looks like the ticket! Definitely bFlex for me. How will the switch be accessible though?!

The "star-like" CREE product is already available as far as I know. Mouser is selling them for Seoul. It is the "D" package, and should be what Seoul calls their P4. That's the emitter that I'm banking on. Oh, and they do apparently make optics for these guys as well.

Definitely interested in this! Great to see you really plugging away on this!
 

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Nice going
make more and resale on CPF
 

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Re: FEELER: LED trilux bike light prototype

Very nice! :thumbsup:

I'm interested in two kits depending on price but only need the housing and the handle bar mount. :whistle:
 
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ktronik

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COSTING: LED trilux bike light prototype

Hey CPF members,

COSTING:

It looks like the most $$ will be spent on hiring the CNC equipment & labour to have it done...

At this stage the cost of parts (SS screws, lens & alloy) + clamp to bar, will be US$30

The cost of hiring the CNC equip & labour (in Austraila) will be around US$80 ea head... for small runs (per 10), may be cheaper for more than 10 @ a time...

So looks like to add leds, drivers & labour, will make it a TOP $$ light... $400 ish with good LEDs, drivers & battery... making 10 full kits is not really a gamble I want to make @ this stage...my intention is not to make money but to help you guys out...& really don't want to lose money...so it is best that I offer 'HEADS ONLY' no guts... for you to play with... for around US$110ea (6000 series alloy)

I will have 4 (luxeon) units ready really soon (6000 series alloy) & already have 2 test proto heads (2000 series alloy) in hand...they look much better in the flesh after I had them polished... :naughty: the 6000 series alloy will be better again...

If I am going to do another run of 10, looks like I will have to re-tool for the new cree P4's...

so given the above costings it may or may not be worth doing 10 (cree P4) head units for people to build up...if I can get 10 people whom want one I will make a P4 prototype... post pics & go from there...

Merry Xmas

best

Ktronik

PS: for me I am making a 6 LED CNC head... 4 in the middle (dynamo powered) + 2 on the side (battery powered) for when I stop.
 

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Re: COSTING: LED trilux bike light prototype

$110 for a 3x Seoul P4 unit, with a spot to hold a vFlex board and a switch (or a way to poke the existing switch out the casing) would make me happy.

A bit of confusion over CREE and Seoul. The CREE product is XR-E. The Seoul product using the same CREE dice is apparently the P4. The P4 is the more advanced package of the two, as far as I understand it.
 
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